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Postby cogliati » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:30 am

What the hell happend there??? i dont want to guess, but i might have a pretty good idea...anybody know what happend exactly???

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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:36 am

according to the belgian press :

Wat is er precies gebeurd?

Bij een 5-5-stand in de tweede set ging het mis. Malisse was het oneens met een beslissing van de lijnrechter en ging in discussie.

Daarna speelde hij voort. Uit ontevredenheid maakte hij enkele voetfouten, wat hem een eerste strafpunt opleverde.

Dat was de druppel voor Malisse, die de lijnrechter beledigde. Dat was genoeg voor een tweede strafpunt, en dus een uitsluiting.


a quick translation :

Malisse started really well and took the first set easily. In the second set Ferrer played better. Nobody lost his serve, and so it was 5-5. But then Malisse was defaulted after 2 warnings.

What happened exactly at 5-5 in the second set with Xavier Malisse?

Apparently he didn't agree on a decision of a line judge. Malisse entered into a discussion with the line judge, but went on to play afterwards. Out of miscontentment, he made couple of foot faults afterwards. This lead to a first warning.

This made Malisse so angry that he started insulting a line judge. What he said exactly wasn't know, but apparently it was bad enough to lead to a second warning. After two warnings, the player is defaulted. Image


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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:39 am

just found a new article :

za 26/03/05 - Malisse is op Key Biscayne over de rooie gegaan. De ref moest het ontgelden. Maar misschien verstond ze het verkeerd.

Xavier Malisse ging helemaal door het lint in de tweede set. Een bal die uit was, werd in gegeven. "Fucking whore (vuile hoer, nvdr)", zou Malisse hebben geroepen. "Niet waar", zegt zijn vriendin.

"Xavier riep "the ball was fucking all out", zegt vriendin Sheila in Het Laatste Nieuws. "De lijnrechter zei dat hij "whore" had geroepen en de hoofdscheids geloofde de vrouw."

Malisse schopte daarna zijn stoel tientallen meters ver en verliet in tranen de tenniscourt. Niet nadat hij de lijnrechter nog de volle laag had gegeven. De vrouw vluchtte weg naar een hoek van de court en zocht het beschermende gezelschap van een andere scheids op.

David Ferrer wilde nog voortspelen maar dat zagen de scheidsrechters niet meer zitten. Ze wilde van geen wijken weten.

"Ik kan niet geloven dat Xavier een vrouw zou uitschelden voor hoer", zegt zijn vriendin. "dit is een zware klap."

Bron : sporza.be

translation :

Malisse got very angry in the second set. A bal that was out, was called in. "Fucking whore" would have said Malisse, but that's not true according to his girlfriend.

Xavier Malisse said "the ball was fucking all out", according to his girlfriend Sheila in the Belgian paper "Het Laatste Nieuws". The linejudge said that he had had shooted "whore" and the umpire believed the linejudge.

Malisse kicked his chair more than ten meters away, and left the court in tears. Before, he had argued again with the line judge. The women ran into a corner of the court, looking for protection from another judge.

David Ferrer wanted to play further, but the umpire didn't want to. She didn't want to move on.

"I cannot believe that Xavier would call a woman a whore", said his girlfriend. This is a mental blow.

hopefully they'll show it in the news tonite ;)

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Postby cogliati » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:45 am

Thanks a lot dude. very helpful.
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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:48 am

no probs dude ;)

U2 :)

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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:31 am

it was in the news :o & you can watch online

http://vrtnieuws.telenet-media.be/sport ... 856-HB.wmv

(not sure the link will work :? )

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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:30 pm

in case the link doesn't work, it was also in the vtm news, you can also watch it online :

http://www.vtm.be/asx/vtmnieuws/vtmnieuws13uur_Za.asx

they start talking about Xavier @ the 24th minute

they also say Malisse will have to pay a fine from about $25000 + fine for not showing up at press conference, and he and ollie will also be suspended from the doubles tournament :Dejected:

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Postby raskolnikow » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:08 pm

I'm not a Belgian. I'm from Barcelona. :oops:
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Postby Gatway » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:41 pm

Patariek, you're a great joker :D :D :D :D

The first link doesn't work, and the second one is a movie trailer :D :D

Any porn link ?? :D :D

PS: Was Malisse at doubles draw ??, i don't see him :KooKoo:
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Postby PatatRiek » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:51 am

Gatway wrote:Patariek, you're a great joker :D :D :D :D


:? no, i am not Sir .. i'm always very serious ;)

The first link doesn't work, and the second one is a movie trailer :D :D


i expected the first link not to work :( but meanwhile you can see that footage here

the second link works; it starts with a trailer, that is correct (30seconds), afterwards the news starts. they start talking about xavier @ the 24th minute. you can go forward with FWD in media player

Any porn link ?? :D :D


:o :KooKoo: [-X

PS: Was Malisse at doubles draw ??, i don't see him :KooKoo:


he WAS there, but he and rochus have been replaced by Karlovic/Mayer; that's why you can't find them probably :D

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Postby cogliati » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:28 am

great footage dude...really impressive...by the way, that should not happen.

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Postby PatatRiek » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:48 pm

no probs lorenzo, hope your Easter was happy

here's an article from bbc website

Defaulted Malisse denies swearing

Malisse fears his reputation could count against him

Xavier Malisse is concerned he will be handed a heavy punishment after he was thrown out of the Nasdaq-100 Open in Miami for "serious verbal abuse".
The Belgian was leading David Ferrer 6-3 5-5 when he hit out at a line judge who foot-faulted him twice.

But Malisse, who could lose his prize money from the tournament or even face a ban, insisted: "I didn't swear.

"I'm going to try and turn it around because I'm not going to go down for something I didn't do."

After he was defaulted by the umpire, a frustrated Malisse threw a ball at the line judge.

"I threw the ball, but I didn't get defaulted for that," he said.

"The line judge misunderstood the words. Of course I am going to get mad after playing an hour-and-a-half in the sun and I hadn't done anything wrong the whole match.

"Yes, I took it a little personal because it meant all the hard work I'd done was thrown away by one person."

The Belgian, a Wimbledon semi-finalist in 2002, believes his reputation could harm his hopes of winning an appeal.

"In the past, I've done things wrong," said the 24-year-old, who was warned about his use of audible obscenities at Wimbledon four years ago.

"I'm not going to say anything, but definitely because of my behaviour in the past, I'm getting a little disadvantage.

"At Wimbledon I did say something wrong, so I immediately stood up for it and I admitted it.

"And I think that's the whole point of this thing - it's that I'm not going to back off, because I didn't do anything."

The ATP is considering the supervisor's report before deciding on Malisse's punishment.

He is likely to lose £5,540 in prize money as well as the ranking points he earned for reaching the second round.

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Postby BelgiumDude » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:34 am

Strange thing happened to Xavier in this week's rankings. Last week he had 968 points. He lost 35 from 3R Miami last year, and gains 0.
So he should have 933 points in this week rankings.
But ... he only has 918 points.
Did he get like a "-15" for Miami this year?? Or is there a mistake in my calculations?
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Postby raskolnikow » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:14 am

BelgiumDude wrote:Strange thing happened to Xavier in this week's rankings. Last week he had 968 points. He lost 35 from 3R Miami last year, and gains 0.
So he should have 933 points in this week rankings.
But ... he only has 918 points.
Did he get like a "-15" for Miami this year?? Or is there a mistake in my calculations?
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He didn't play in Rome last year, but he got his sixth best result in San José (15 points). He should indeed still have them, I believe...
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Postby raskolnikow » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:24 am

In the Champions Race he has received 55 points. That should be 56.
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Malisse Default at NASDAQ -- Was it the Right Call?

Postby John Weber » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:28 pm

Just returned home from a trip to the Nasdaq tournament. I was actually at the match in question (first time I have ever been present when a player was defaulted) and it was a very frustrating situation for the fans. I was not there from the start of the match but the chair ump just called one penalty and defaulted him -- I thought the rule was it was a three-step process: (1) warning (2) point then (3) match.

I didn't hear any audible obscenity -- others said he used the word "frigging" instead of what was quoted. I am curious as to whether or not there were prior warnings or penalties earlier in the match, because a default for this one offense seems harsh and inconsistent with the rules as applied especially to the star players, like Roddick who the same day flung his racket halfway across the court and had nothing happen.

I can say I think in this instance the crowd -- which backed Malisse on the particular line call -- may have egged him on and made the situation worse. I also know that Malisse was critical of the lineswoman in question because a few points earlier she had called a footfault and he did make some remark about how she could detect a footfault but not see a ball that was a foot out, or something to that effect. Before making the call the ump called a roving referee to the situation, and in my opinion that person did not do enough to diffuse the situation and get Malisse playing.

It was a very bad situation for the fans as the match was looking like it was headed for three sets and it also created a huge hole in the late afternoon first Friday schedule on a day that had record attendance for the event. The remaining matches outside the stadium and grandstand were all on one court (court 1) which became crowded and difficult to get into for the rest of the day.

I would be interested in knowing if the rules now permit going directly to a default in the case of swearing or not. I just think what happened seemed very harsh and deprived the fans of a good match, although David Ferrer, who wound up going all the way to the semis, was the major beneficiary.
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Postby PatatRiek » Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:39 am

thanks for your report John Weber :)

BelgiumDude wrote:Strange thing happened to Xavier in this week's rankings. Last week he had 968 points. He lost 35 from 3R Miami last year, and gains 0.
So he should have 933 points in this week rankings.
But ... he only has 918 points.
Did he get like a "-15" for Miami this year?? Or is there a mistake in my calculations?
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ATP corrected itself this week, Malisse has the 933points he deserves.

last weeks ranking he should have been 36 instead of 40

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Related Question: Has This Ever Happened Before ?

Postby John Weber » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:00 am

Since Malisse has up a set at 5-all 2d set, he was technically winning or ahead in the match at the time of the default. Has there ever been in tennis history an instance of a non-injury default where a player was leading, particular in as high level tournament as Tennis Masters? I think when McEnroe was defaulted in Australia he may have been ahead, not sure but there may have been an instance with Nastase or Tarango, can't recall specifics. I'm sure the readers of this Board could supply other examples.
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Postby PatatRiek » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:41 am

rumours in the Belgian newspapers say that Malisse will get a 10 week banning from ATP events :S

take notice, he will be able to play the Grand Slams, cos that is an ITF organisation

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Anything Official on This?

Postby John Weber » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:26 am

If true, a 10-week ban seems very unfair. I think Malisse got a raw deal here (see earlier report). Compare to what happened recently in MLB: the first player to flunk a steroid test (Alex Sanchez) is already back playing (it's 10 day suspension for first offendors compared to like 2 years in other sports, like cycling and tennis). I also think some of the big name stars (Roddick et al) get more latitude in situations like this.

Wonder if ATP is required to file some kind of report to justify its actions. Would make interesting reading. Only possible justification could be Malisse's emotional reactions after the default, where he did direct a ball in the direction of the linesperson in question, and that could arguably justify some kind of sanctions.
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Re: Anything Official on This?

Postby PatatRiek » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:04 am

John Weber wrote:If true, a 10-week ban seems very unfair.


well it's official now, he's suspended :( but only for 4 weeks (that talk he had with Mark Miles did help a little bit ;) )

but still, a serious punishment ... i wonder if ATP would treat Roddick or another star the same way

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ps : i assume the ATP will remove Malisse from all the entrylist for the upcoming 4 weeks
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Postby renaudb » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:30 am

...pppfff
when do begin the 4 weeks?
will he miss RG....
I hope he won't.... :(
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Postby BelgiumDude » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:39 am

renaudb wrote:...pppfff
when do begin the 4 weeks?
will he miss RG....
I hope he won't.... :(


He can play Roland Garros.
That will be his first tournament after his suspension.
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Postby Gatway » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:19 am

Is the french Malisse and O.Rochus's mother tongue ??

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Postby BelgiumDude » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:46 am

Gatway wrote:Is the french Malisse and O.Rochus's mother tongue ??

Thanks..


Olivier speaks French
Malisse's mother language is Dutch, but his French is also pretty good. Not the same can be said of his articulation ;)

On the 4 weeks-ban : :x
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Postby seb » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:06 am

BelgiumDude wrote:He can play Roland Garros.
That will be his first tournament after his suspension.


He will play RG anyway because it an ITF event, not ATP.

He is suspended for weeks 17 to 20 (starting this week) and will miss Rome and Hamburg.
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Postby Patrik77 » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:09 am

If you see it from the bright side he will have a good 4 weeks practice before RG and do not take the risk to be too tired before the event...
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Postby PatatRiek » Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:20 am

BelgiumDude wrote:Malisse's mother language is Dutch, but his French is also pretty good. Not the same can be said of his articulation ;)


here we have an explanation why the lines women misunderstood him :D thanks BD ;)

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Postby BelgiumDude » Tue May 03, 2005 11:44 am

Does somebody know if Malisse will get two "0-pointers" for Rome and Hamburg TMS. Or will he able to replace these 2 tournaments with his 6th and 7th best result.
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Postby cogliati » Tue May 03, 2005 12:19 pm

i think he will get two 0 points.
we will see.

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Postby smucav » Wed May 04, 2005 1:28 pm

BelgiumDude wrote:Does somebody know if Malisse will get two "0-pointers" for Rome and Hamburg TMS. Or will he able to replace these 2 tournaments with his 6th and 7th best result.
Thanks!
He should get zero since he was directly entered in both events & withdrew (albeit involuntarily).
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