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Postby Guest » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:24 am

seeds are out on wimbledon website!
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Postby Guest » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:31 am

Seeds for the Gentlemen's Singles:

1. FEDERER, Roger (SUI)
2. RODDICK, Andy (USA)
3. HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS)
4. NADAL, Rafael (ESP)
5. SAFIN, Marat (RUS)
6. HENMAN, Tim (GBR)
7. CANAS, Guillermo (ARG)
8. DAVYDENKO, Nikolay (RUS)
9. GROSJEAN, Sebastien (FRA)
10. ANCIC, Mario (CRO)
11. JOHANSSON, Joachim (SWE)
12. JOHANSSON, Thomas (SWE)
13. ROBREDO, Tommy (ESP)
14. STEPANEK, Radek (CZE)
15. CORIA, Guillermo (ARG)
16. PUERTA, Mariano (ARG)
17. FERRER, David (ESP)
18. NALBANDIAN, David (ARG)
19. HAAS, Tommy (GER)
20. LJUBICIC, Ivan (CRO)
21. GONZALEZ, Fernando (CHI)
22. HRBATY, Dominik (SVK)
23. FERRERO, Juan Carlos (ESP)
24. DENT, Taylor (USA)
25. KIEFER, Nicolas (GER)
26. LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP)
27. GASQUET, Richard (FRA)
28. NOVAK, Jiri (CZE)
29. MASSU, Nicolas (CHI)
30. SODERLING, Robin (SWE)
31. YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)
32. VOLANDRI, Filippo (ITA)
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Postby Guest » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:11 am

(1) Roger Federer (Swi) v Paul-Henri Mathieu (Fra)
Ivo Minar (Cze) v Michal Tabara (Cze)
Joshua Goodall (GB) v Alessio Di Mauro (Ita)
Julien Benneteau (Fra) v (25) Nicolas Kiefer (Ger)
(23) Juan Carlos Ferrero (Spa) v Qualifier
Thomas Enqvist (Swe) v Hyung-taik Lee (Kor)
Florian Mayer (Ger) v Santiago Ventura (Spa)
Fernando Verdasco (Spa) v (13) Tommy Robredo (Spa)
(11) Joachim Johansson (Swe) v Albert Montanes (Spa)
Alberto Martin (Spa) v Greg Rusedski (GB)
Jose Acasuso (Arg) v Tomas Zib (Cze)
Alan Mackin (GB) v (21) Fernando Gonzalez (Chi)
(31) Mikhail Youzhny (Rus) v Marcos Baghdatis (Cyp)
Oscar Hernandez (Spa) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (Fra)
Jonas Bjorkman (Swe) v Qualifier
Scott Draper (Aus) v (8) Nikolay Davydenko (Rus)

(3) Lleyton Hewitt (Aus) v Christophe Rochus (Bel)
Jan Hernych (Cze) v James Blake (USA)
Qualifier v Qualifier
Sargis Sargsian (Arm) v (29) Nicolas Massu (Chi)
(24) Taylor Dent (USA) v Qualifier
Kevin Kim (USA) v Alex Bogdanovic (GB)
Qualifier v Tomas Berdych (Cze)
Lars Burgsmuller (Ger) v (16) Mariano Puerta (Arg)
(10) Mario Ancic (Cro) v Qualifier
Qualifier v Stefan Koubek (Aut)
Gael Monfils (Fra) v Olivier Rochus (Bel)
Cyril Saulnier (Fra) v (22) Dominik Hrbaty (Svk)
(26) Feliciano Lopez (Spa) v Bjorn Phau (Ger)
David Sherwood (GB) v Ricardo Mello (Bra)
Karol Beck (Svk) v Mark Philippoussis (Aus)
Paradorn Srichaphan (Tha) v (5) Marat Safin (Rus)

(7) Guillermo Canas (Arg) v Qualifier
Max Mirnyi (Bel) v Rainer Schuettler (Ger)
Stanislas Wawrinka (Swi) v Fabrice Santoro (Fra)
Peter Wessels (Ned) v (28) Jiri Novak (Cze)
(19) Tommy Haas (Ger) v Janko Tipsarevic
Qualifier v Qualifier
Andrei Pavel (Rom) v Qualifier
Bohdan Ulihrach (Cze) v (12) Thomas Johansson (Swe)
(14) Radek Stepanek (Cze) v Robby Ginepri (USA)
Andrew Murray (GB) v Qualifier
Karol Kucera (Svk) v Luis Horna (Per)
Raemon Sluiter (Ned) v (18) David Nalbandian (Arg)
(27) Richard Gasquet (Fra) v Philipp Kohlschreiber (Ger)
Sjeng Schalken (Ned) v Potito Starace (Ita)
Felix Mantilla (Spa) v Gilles Muller (Lux)
Vincent Spadea (USA) v (4) Rafael Nadal (Spa)

(6) Tim Henman (GB) v Jarkko Nieminen (Fin)
Nicolas Almagro (Spa) v Dmitry Tursunov (Rus)
Alexander Popp (Ger) v Jerome Haehnel (Fra)
Wayne Arthurs (Aus) v (32) Filippo Volandri (Ita)
(17) David Ferrer (Spa) v Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (Spa)
Juan Monaco (Arg) v Qualifier
Victor Hanescu (Rom) v Kenneth Carlsen (Den)
Michael Llodra (FRa) v (9) Sebastien Grosjean (Fra)
(15) Guillermo Coria (Arg) v Tomas Behrend (Ger)
Jonathan Marray (GB) v Xavier Malisse (Bel)
Alex Calatrava (Spa) v Qualifier
Jurgen Melzer (Aut) v (20) Ivan Ljubicic (Cro)
(30) Robin Soderling (Swe) v Igor Andreev (Rus)
Davide Sanguinetti (Ita) v Qualifier
Qualifier v Ivo Karlovic (Cro)
Jiri Vanek (Cze) v (2) Andy Roddick (USA)
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Postby dryeagle » Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:09 pm

smucav wrote:Agassi will be replaced by a lucky loser.


I see that Justin Gimelstob retired in the final round of qualifying today after playing one game against George Bastl. Since there is a lucky loser spot available due to Agassi withdrawing, I assume Gimelstob will take that spot in the main draw since he is the #3 seed in qualifying and highest seeded final round loser. The #1 and #2 seeds won today on the same court prior to Gimelstob's match.

I guess you can see that my point is Gimelstob quit on purpose (and maybe wasn't injured) because he had a main draw spot already guaranteed. If he goes on to play in the main draw now, then I don't think this is fair, I consider his match with Bastl a tank job. Does anybody agree with me here?
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Postby smucav » Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:11 pm

Schalken is OUT so another lucky loser spot is available.
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Postby renaudb » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:46 pm

dryeagle wrote:
smucav wrote:Agassi will be replaced by a lucky loser.


I see that Justin Gimelstob retired in the final round of qualifying today after playing one game against George Bastl. Since there is a lucky loser spot available due to Agassi withdrawing, I assume Gimelstob will take that spot in the main draw since he is the #3 seed in qualifying and highest seeded final round loser. The #1 and #2 seeds won today on the same court prior to Gimelstob's match.

I guess you can see that my point is Gimelstob quit on purpose (and maybe wasn't injured) because he had a main draw spot already guaranteed. If he goes on to play in the main draw now, then I don't think this is fair, I consider his match with Bastl a tank job. Does anybody agree with me here?


seppi was not qualified when gimelstob has given up. And Schalken not forfeited. So i wonder if he is not injured...
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:45 pm

hmm...I always thought that when you retire in a match you loose the right to become a LL ; but seems that i'm wrong

should be a good rule though

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Postby renaudb » Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:53 pm

PatatRiek wrote:hmm...I always thought that when you retire in a match you loose the right to become a LL ; but seems that i'm wrong

should be a good rule though

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a very good rule, but gimelstob (3) gambill (13) and bracciali (11) have retire in there match....
Does someone know the right rule?
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Postby renaudb » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:01 pm

It's funny to see that no match that bracciali have played was finished...
If he is lucky loser... I wish to nobody to meet him.... :D
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:26 pm

renaudb wrote:
PatatRiek wrote:hmm...I always thought that when you retire in a match you loose the right to become a LL ; but seems that i'm wrong

should be a good rule though

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a very good rule, but gimelstob (3) gambill (13) and bracciali (11) have retire in there match....
Does someone know the right rule?


well atp rulebook seems not to make a difference between a normal loss and a retirment ... so i think if they are fit to play they can become LLs
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Postby renaudb » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:30 pm

Not a good rule for people who pay to see tennis match.... :(
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Postby theDestroyer » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:43 pm

renaudb wrote:Not a good rule for people who pay to see tennis match.... :(


Qualies are free :D (I think)
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Postby renaudb » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:49 pm

theDestroyer wrote:
renaudb wrote:Not a good rule for people who pay to see tennis match.... :(


Qualies are free :D (I think)


well it's not interesting for people who want to see matches (even if they don't pay...)
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Postby nitsansh » Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:52 pm

The order of lucky losers:

Justin Gimelstob USA (3) 124
#Paul Goldstein USA (4) 100
Daniele Bracciali ITA (11) 120
Jan-Michael Gambill USA (13) 123
#Wesley Moodie RSA (15) 128
#Novak Djokovic SCG (17) 127
Gilles Simon FRA (18) 132
Fernando Vicente ESP (19) 130
Nicolas Mahut FRA (20) 137
Michael Ryderstedt SWE (21) 134
Amer Delic (25) 146

#if he loses unfinished match
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Postby nitsansh » Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:55 pm

Anyone with ATP rulebook in hand...

Is the order of lucky losers determined by the ranking at the time of qualifying draw, or the ranking at the end of qualifying???
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:50 pm

Ranking at the time of draw. Same as all ATP, WTA or ITF qualifying events which end on mondays, when the new rankings may be out. The previous week's ranking which was used for qualifying seeding is what applies for lucky loser decisions.

So it willbe Gimelstob, Goldstein, Bracciali, Gambill etc in that order of seeding, for LL spots.

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Postby Fee » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:36 pm

First, Justin Gimelstob has a back injury and he was treated for it, on court, during one of his matches this week (according to a story on the W. website). Even he is not stupid enough to go out and retire from a match after only one game. The number one seed, Seppi, was two sets down when JG stopped playing, and there was only one LL spot for sure (though Spadea is a strong candidate to pull). Justin has pulled some variety of stunts in his career, I really don't think that this was one of them.

Second, Jay and Nitsansh, you are two of the most reliable, knowledgeable people I've encountered on the internet and it concerns me that you cannot agree on the LL rule here. I have tried looking for it, but I am on the road and dealing with horrible connection problems. Can either one of you provide the link or the quote from the ITF Grand Slam rulebook, or wherever, that will clear this up for us? Thank you both. :D

Jan-Michael is legitimately injured, dealing with chronic shin pain. I know someone who was at his match and he did the best he could until he just couldn't take it anymore. He has been playing matches in pain all year and this is the first one he has retired from, so it must be bad. I just hope he is healthy enough to play on Monday if he gets the opportunity.
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Postby nitsansh » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:04 pm

From ATP rulebook:
Lucky Losers are players who have lost in the final round of the qualifying event or,if more Lucky Losers are required,those players who have lost in the previous qualifying round(s).The Lucky Losers shall be selected on the basis of their position on the INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking (Singles) List (Entry Protection is not considered) used for the determination of qualifying seeding; that is ,the Lucky Loser with the highest Entry Ranking position shall be the first inserted into the main draw and so forth. Only
those accepted into the qualifying competition may sign in as Lucky Losers.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:18 pm

I was thinking the same thing about Gimelstob. I don't think he would pull such a blatant stunt, though knowing that he will at least be the second lucky loser may have helped in his decision not to push and make any injury worse. Tennis players who tank normally do not withdraw after one game. They are professional enough to know that playing a match is at least beneficial from the practice stand point. If they hate being on court that much, they would ben't be top tennis players! .. So, I would cut Gimelstob some slack.

Actually, nitsansh and I were not really disagreeing. He was simply listing what would be the list IF they used today's rank and was asking about what the rule was.

Anyway, I went and found the rule from ATP. Section 6.2.1.A of the 2005 rule book says, "The Lucky Losers shall be selected on the basis of their position on the INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking (Singles) List (Entry Protection is not considered) used for the determination of qualifying seeding; that is, the Lucky Loser with the highest Entry Ranking position shall be the first inserted into the main draw and so forth". So, that is basically what I said above.

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Postby Fee » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:46 pm

Thank you both for your help, I can now go and sound intelligent on my website and messageboard. :D Hopefully Goldie will win his match and JMG will still get in somehow, if he can play.
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Postby seb » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:42 am

0 Justin Gimelstob USA (3) 124 retired
1 #Paul Goldstein USA (4) 100 will let J.Delgado win and gets Agassi's spot
0 Daniele Bracciali ITA (11) 120 retired
0 Jan-Michael Gambill USA (13) 123 retired
2 #Wesley Moodie RSA (15) 128 or #Novak Djokovic SCG (17) 127 gets Schalken spot
3 Gilles Simon FRA (18) 132 can start to pray for a third retirement
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Postby PatatRiek » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:32 am

seb wrote:0 Justin Gimelstob USA (3) 124 retired
1 #Paul Goldstein USA (4) 100 will let J.Delgado win and gets Agassi's spot
0 Daniele Bracciali ITA (11) 120 retired
0 Jan-Michael Gambill USA (13) 123 retired
2 #Wesley Moodie RSA (15) 128 or #Novak Djokovic SCG (17) 127 gets Schalken spot
3 Gilles Simon FRA (18) 132 can start to pray for a third retirement


so have Gimelstob, Bracciali & Gambill officially pulled out then?

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Postby keope1977 » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:08 am

PatatRiek wrote:
seb wrote:0 Justin Gimelstob USA (3) 124 retired
1 #Paul Goldstein USA (4) 100 will let J.Delgado win and gets Agassi's spot
0 Daniele Bracciali ITA (11) 120 retired
0 Jan-Michael Gambill USA (13) 123 retired
2 #Wesley Moodie RSA (15) 128 or #Novak Djokovic SCG (17) 127 gets Schalken spot
3 Gilles Simon FRA (18) 132 can start to pray for a third retirement


so have Gimelstob, Bracciali & Gambill officially pulled out then?

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That's not true. Who ritires in the qualifying tournement is still eligible for a LL spot.
Look on what happened in Wimbledon 2003 with Victor Hanescu, he retired in the qualifying 3rd round, but as the n°1 seeded, he took a LL spot in the main draw.
Qualy draw:
http://stevegtennis.com/results/2003/q-wimbledon.txt
Main draw:
http://stevegtennis.com/results/2003/a-wimbledon.txt
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:22 am

Delgado currently 4-0 up on Goldstein.

Goldstein gets in anyway. Maybe not losing on purpose but another GB player in draw :)
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Postby dryeagle » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:24 am

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:I was thinking the same thing about Gimelstob. I don't think he would pull such a blatant stunt, though knowing that he will at least be the second lucky loser may have helped in his decision not to push and make any injury worse. Tennis players who tank normally do not withdraw after one game. They are professional enough to know that playing a match is at least beneficial from the practice stand point. If they hate being on court that much, they would ben't be top tennis players! .. So, I would cut Gimelstob some slack.


Jay


Sorry Jay, but I can't cut Gimelstob any slack, his actions are selfish and hurts the integrity of the game. Anybody who retires from qualifying should not be allowed to enter the main draw. He knew going into his match that he was automatic for a main draw spot, so he decided not to play and the benificiary was Bastl. Sounds like they are friends, Bastl went to USC and Gimelstob went to UCLA, so they are or were practice partners.
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:52 am

Have just heard on another Forum that Willy Cañas has just withdrawn. Can anyone here verify that?
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Postby Judio » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:19 am

Canas has withdrawn

Olivier Rochus Promoted to 33rd seed.

Second Lucky Loser who gets in is Goldstein(Who lost from 2 sets up)
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:42 am

"15:16
Daniele Bracciali grazie al ritiro di S.Schalken è stato ripescato nel main draw di Wimbledon come Luck Loser".

From Eurosport.com (Italian section), Bracciali in Main Draw
for Schalken withdraw
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:43 am

Anonymous wrote:"15:16
Daniele Bracciali grazie al ritiro di S.Schalken è stato ripescato nel main draw di Wimbledon come Luck Loser".

From Eurosport.com (Italian section), Bracciali in Main Draw
for Schalken withdrawn
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Postby renaudb » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:47 am

Anonymous wrote:Have just heard on another Forum that Willy Cañas has just withdrawn. Can anyone here verify that?


Si je te le dit c'est que c vrai!!! ;) :D
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:32 am

He knew going into his match that he was automatic for a main draw spot, so he decided not to play

Well, as pointed out above, Gimelstob did NOT know at the time of the withdrawal that he was automatic because #1 Seppi was behind then .. That is unless he already knew of Canas, Schalken and all those later withdrawals (which he may have) .. I am just reluctant to accuse people, that is all.. Anyway, I find it odd that he would withdraw after just one game, because surely he does not hate tennis to be reluctant to play a couple of sets for practice and not make it look so obvious and shameful (surely he must know that everybody around would immediately accuse him of what you are accusing him of!). So I thought he must have really felt some physical discomfort to withdraw in a strange way like that.
.. and the benificiary was Bastl. Sounds like they are friends, Bastl went to USC and Gimelstob went to UCLA

Well, now you are accusing Bastl too :) ... well, I am staying away from this. I don't know! .. Are there many USC and UCLA alumni who are "friends"? .. I have lived in southern california for 15 years and I am yet to find any like that :)

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Postby Judio » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:59 am

Wimbledon Website has the following but still haven't Updated the Full Draw :x :x
Andre Agassi regrets will have to withdraw from the Gentlemen's Singles due to injury. Mr Agassi says in a fax that it is a regrettable decision and he will miss playing in the most prestigious tournament in the world.

Guillemo Canas of Argentina and Sjeng Schalken of Sweden have also pulled out.

Agassi, Canas and Schalken will be replaced by Justin Gimelstob, Paul Goldstein and Daniele Bracciali as lucky losers. Olivier Rochus will now be the 33rd seed and replace Canas' place in the draw.
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Postby basil3legs » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:41 am

How long has he been Swedish?

Yet another error on the Wimbledon Official Website
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Postby Fee » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:54 am

A USC alum and a UCLA alum getting together on something? Riiiiiiight. And they practice together? How do you know that? So, when Justin called the trainer to court on Tuesday, was that just part of his nefarious plot to tank his next match so he could back into the draw as an LL? Did it ever occur to you that he served first and pulled a muscle as he was serving?

You are basing your accusations on the way the OOP looks on the Wimbledon website right now. That is not the way the matches were played. Justin was one of the first guys on court and the only match that was completed before his was Clement. Please feel free to call Justin (or any player) every name in the book if you like, but if you are going to make accusations against someone it would be good to have your facts in order so that you don't look like you are pulling conspiracies out of your ass. And please tell us about Bracciali's integrity, he retired too (and he did it much later in the afternoon).
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Postby dryeagle » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:08 pm

Yes, I did look at the Wimbledon site and it appeared that Gimelstob's match was the third match on Court #13 behind Clement's and Seppi's, the #1 and #2 seeds. I would assume this to be accurate from the Wimbledon website. Gimelstob wouldn't pull out of a main draw match unless he was down 2 sets, so from my perspective his injury is bullshit.

Fiona, I'm just trying to point some things out that seem out of place to me. Maybe you should worry more about how Jan "Hollywood" Gambill's ranking is going to spiral into the 200s after Wimbledon.
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:35 pm

As someone who was watching the qualifying this week in Roehampton I thought I would give you my view of what happened with Justin Gimelstob.

Firstly on Tuesday in his 2nd round match against Voltchkov he had the trainer on for a back injury during the 2nd set. After which he seemed to be moving less easily around the court. He lost the 2nd set 6-0 but somehow fought back to win the 3rd.

Then on thursday Gimelstob seemed to spend a lot of the time before his match watching the other matches on court. He was on court 15 after Clement had won but at the same time Seppi was either 2 sets to 0 down or 2 sets to 1 down on court 13.

In the warm up he looked very uninterested and barely moved for the ball, keeping his back completely straight the whole time. Then Bastl served first and held very quickly after which Gimelstob immediately retired and walked off the court. He didn't bother calling the trainer or anything.

Gimelstob clearly went on the court with the intention of retiring straight away, whether this was because Clement had won and he knew he was virtually guaranteed a LL spot who knows, but in fairness to him if he knew he was in anyway it seems fairly sensible to not risk worsening his back injury before Wimbledon in a match that meant nothing.

The question I have though is why did he take to the court at all? Would he still have got the lucky loser spot if he had just forfeited his final qualifying round match without taking to the court at all?
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Postby renaudb » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:39 pm

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Postby Fee » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:21 pm

ooo, dryeagle, your argument falls apart so you insult another player entirely? Brilliant. But you should get the name straight (it's Jan-Michael, and try to use a nickname from this decade) and do better math if you are going to use that lame tactic, so you don't look quite so foolish. He's only going to lose 75 points which will put him roughly in the 160's or so, I'm guessing (okay, hoping). Don't tell me what to worry about, that is none of your concern. If you had a question about things that happened on Thursday, you should have asked a question not made an accusation. There is a huge difference. By the way, Justin is not sure if he will be able to play on Monday. He'll give it a try tomorrow to see how he feels.

Thanks, guest, for telling us what it was like to be there. Its always helps to have more information.
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Postby PEB » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:30 pm

This Lucky loser rule sucks.

It should be made otherwise: lucky losers would be chosen randomly amongst the 16 losers so that everyone would have to win to be sure to qualify.

This way, no possibility to cheat...
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Postby BelgiumDude » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:21 am

I was trying to complete the entry list in the first post, but something is unclear to me. There are 8 players in from the ALT-list, but I only have 7 WD's before Qualies started (agassi,schalken and canas withdrew after qualifying started).

I have :
Edgardo Massa (ARG) - Shoulder injury
Albert Costa (ESP) - Knee surgery
Gaston Gadio (ARG) - Shoulder injury
Mardy Fish (USA) - Wrist injury
Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Unknown
Mariano Zabaleta (ARG) - Foot injury
Carlos Moya (ESP) - Shoulder injury

Who was the 8th withdrawal? I must have missed that.
Somebody who can help? thanks!
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whitdraw

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:41 am

calleri is out from alt list
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Gimelstob would definitely pull out without qualms.

Postby kennycalhoo » Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:47 am

I've had a few dealings with Gimelstob over the past few years, and I will say that he could care less about whether his actions affect others. It doesn't shock me at all that he would pull out if he saw that Seppi and Clement had won, because if he can get away with it, he did.

Its just unfortunate, because it does impact the integrity of the game. Does Bastl deserve to be in? He's a good player, and has obviously played well at Wimby before, but what about any of the other players who lost that last round of qualifying. They just got screwed because Gimelstob didn't have the guts to compete.

Integrity is a lost art.
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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:15 pm

Anonymous wrote:Would he still have got the lucky loser spot if he had just forfeited his final qualifying round match without taking to the court at all?


i don't think so ... but i'm absolutely not sure..... Jay probably knows the answer rules:

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Re: Gimelstob would definitely pull out without qualms.

Postby Fee » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:30 pm

kennycalhoo wrote:I've had a few dealings with Gimelstob over the past few years, and I will say that he could care less about whether his actions affect others. It doesn't shock me at all that he would pull out if he saw that Seppi and Clement had won, because if he can get away with it, he did.

Its just unfortunate, because it does impact the integrity of the game. Does Bastl deserve to be in? He's a good player, and has obviously played well at Wimby before, but what about any of the other players who lost that last round of qualifying. They just got screwed because Gimelstob didn't have the guts to compete.

Integrity is a lost art.


At this point, the guy who suffered the most is Jan-Mike, who is the current LL in line for the draw. It will be kind of ironic if Justin is still unable to play come Monday or Tuesday and JMG ends up getting in anyway (that is, if Jan-Mike is even able to play by then).

I agree that the LL rule may need to be revised and perhaps a blind draw of the losing players is the way to do it. It is entirely possible that, considering the shape of his back, Justin knew the rules and decided to work them to his advantage (like a true American) to optimize his chances of actually playing in the main draw of a slam. Hmm, a tennis player who's almost desperate to get into a slam (even if he should possibly be home in bed) compared to a top player who claims an injury that may not exist to avoid a slam because he doesn't like the surface (or perhaps the country its played in). Interesting...
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Postby nitsansh » Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:29 am

A top player (or anyone who makes the cut to main draw for that matter) who withdraws from a grand-slam gets no benefit from it. He gets 0 points for the tournament (even first-round loser gets 5) and is not allowed to play elsewhere at the same week.
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seeding...

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:07 pm

Grosjean gets seeded 9th and Gasquet gets Nadal 3rd round again?

And I thought I had this seeding stuff straightened out in my head... guess not :(

Does it take into account last year's performance??
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Re: seeding...

Postby pozaking » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:17 pm

Anonymous wrote:Does it take into account last year's performance??


Well i Think that you´re rigth because Roddick is seeded as the no. 2 and Grosjean as 9 and Mario as 10. Well if i´m wrong please correct me ;)
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Re: seeding...

Postby smucav » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:18 pm

Anonymous wrote:And I thought I had this seeding stuff straightened out in my head... guess not :( Does it take into account last year's performance??

http://www.atptennis.com/en/newsandscores/news/2005/wimby_seeds.asp
How the All England Club Calculates its Seeds

The world’s Top 32 participating players according to last Monday’s (June 13) INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking earn a seeding. Because three players in that Top 32 – No. 6 Andre Agassi, No. 12 Gaston Gaudio and No. 20 Carlos Moya – withdrew from the tournament before the seedings were announced, No. 33 Feliciano Lopez, No. 34 Mikhail Youzhny and No. 35 Robin Soderling move into the group of 32 players who earn a seeding.

The All England Club then applies a formula to re-order the 32 players who earn a seed. The formula is:

· Take INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking points at Monday, June 13, 2005
· Add 100% of points earned for all grass court tournaments in the previous 12 months
· Add 75% of points earned at a player’s best grass court event in the 12 months before that.

Re. Justin Gimelstob's lucky loser spot:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/tennis/sfl-wimblenotes19jun19,0,1400795.story?coll=sfla-sports-tennis
NOTEBOOK
Gimelstob is a lucky loser
By Charles Bricker
Staff Writer
June 19, 2005

WIMBLEDON, England · This year, the tennis gods were kind to Justin Gimelstob of Delray Beach and, in return, Gimelstob had nothing unkind to say about anyone.

He's into his sixth Wimbledon singles as a lucky loser and will try to play Monday against No. 170 Adrian Garcia of Chile.

"Try" because the back injury that led to his retirement five minutes into his final-round qualifying match is still troubling him.

The back was so sore that he wasn't going to play the match, and he had already informed his opponent, George Bastl, that he couldn't play.

But ITF officials convinced him to play one game, then quit. That would at least put him in position for a main draw spot as a lucky loser replacing a player who withdraws from the tournament.


When Gimelstob went on court, he was No. 2 in the lucky loser pecking order, which is decided by the ranking of players who lose in the last round of qualifying.

Andreas Seppi, the tall, slender Italian, was in front of Gimelstob, but was down two sets to none and it looked as though he would claim the lucky loser spot made available by the withdrawal of Andre Agassi.

When Seppi rallied to win his way into the main draw, Gimelstob became first in line and claimed the lucky-loser spot. If he can't play, the spot goes to Jan-Michael Gambill of Spokane, Wash., who also retired from a third-round qualifying match with sore shins.

A year ago, Gimelstob was two ranking spots from getting directly into the tournament, and there were four players everyone knew would pull out with injuries.

But because they didn't withdraw until after qualifying began, their four spots went to lucky losers in qualifying, and Gimelstob was shut out of the singles.

He then called Rafael Nadal, who won the French Open two weeks ago, "an incredibly selfish person." Nadal, with a foot injury, was one of the four players that pulled out in 2004.

Undeterred, Gimelstob went on to win his first Grand Slam title, teaming with Scott Humphries to upset the Bryan brothers in the doubles final. He'll defend this year with Brian MacPhie of San Jose. If he withdraws from the singles, he can still play doubles, if the back improves with a few more days rest.

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Wow.

Postby kennycalhoo » Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:56 pm

The ITF told him to. That's just embarrassing. Wow. I'm really, really surprised. Why tell someone who is unable to play to get out there and give it a go when it could potentially hurt the integrity of the tournament, where you want the fittest, most qualified players in the main draw.
I don't get it.
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Re: seeding...

Postby dryeagle » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:46 pm

smucav wrote:

He then called Rafael Nadal, who won the French Open two weeks ago, "an incredibly selfish person." Nadal, with a foot injury, was one of the four players that pulled out in 2004.

Undeterred, Gimelstob went on to win his first Grand Slam title, teaming with Scott Humphries to upset the Bryan brothers in the doubles final. He'll defend this year with Brian MacPhie of San Jose. If he withdraws from the singles, he can still play doubles, if the back improves with a few more days rest.




Wow, he called Nadal selfish. And then one year later he tanks a match for his own benefit. What a hypocrite.

He didn't win the Wimbledon doubles, I think they beat the Bryan brothers early on but I believe Bjorkman and somebody went on to win it. Great journalism.
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