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week |28| CH: Cuenca,Mantova,Oberstaufen,Poznan,Scheveningen

Postby TeRRy » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:58 pm

Cuenca
1 Adaktusson, Jacob SWE 227
2 Rojer, Jean-Julien AHO 239
OUT Ghem, Andre BRA 296
4 Giraldo, Santiago COL 297
5 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU 319
6 Dabul, Brian ARG 329
OUT Engel, Lucas BRA 332
8 Echagaray, Bruno MEX 340
OUT Simoni, Alexandre BRA 354
10 Noviski, Lionel ARG 356
11 Cleveland, Tyler USA 366
12 Satschko, Alex GER 404
OUT Junaid, Rameez AUS 414
14 Felder, Marcel URU 415
15 Vilarrubi, Martin URU 417
16 Mayer, Leonardo ARG 458
OUT Jun, Woong-Sun KOR 462
OUT Jorquera, Manuel ITA 463
19 Popovic, Petar SCG 472
OUT Kretschmer, Gero GER 478 : Replaced by (LL) Manrique, Luis Fernando ECU
21 Salamanca, Carlos COL 484
22 Elizondo, Juan-Manuel MEX 500
23 (SE)
24 (SE)
25 (WC) Rivera, Sebastian ECU
26 (WC) Castejon, Francois VEN
27 (WC) Dong, Tin VIE
28 (WC) Fiorentino, Carlton USA
29 (Q) Sugiyama, Norikazu JPN
30 (Q) Zunino, Jose ECU
31 (Q) Gonzalez, Pablo COL
32 (Q) Torres, Ruben COL

Alternates
IN Moser, Frank GER 505
OUT Yoo, Daniel KOR 507
IN Kryvonos, Nikita USA 546
OUT Bubka, Sergei UKR 554
IN Romero, Victor MEX 558
OUT Smit, Jasper NED 566
OUT Pujo, Xavier FRA 575
OUT Ianni, Stefano ITA 581
IN Alvarez, Diego ARG 589
IN Avellan, Carlos ECU 601
OUT Gruber, Konstantin Don AUT 609
OUT Martin, Fabrice FRA 622
OUT Statham, Jose (Rubin) NZL 653
OUT Grambow, Ralph GER 656
OUT Kralert, Petr CZE 682
IN Veronelli, Diego ARG 1005
IN Ciarrochi, Federico ARG 1066
OUT Thomas, Kiantki USA 1109
OUT Fukaumi, Hiroshi JPN 1251
OUT Kaneko, Hijiri JPN 1520
OUT Krajcovic, Roger HUN
IN Downey, Paul CAN @

Mantova
1 Montcourt, Mathieu FRA 179
OUT Vico, Uros ITA 192
3 Luzzi, Federico ITA 194
4 Galimberti, Giorgio ITA 196
5 Peya, Alexander AUT 205
6 Granollers-Pujol, Marcel ESP 216
OUT Aldi, Francesco ITA 235
OUT Guccione, Chris AUS 255
9 Saoudi, Slimane ALG 266
10 Patriarca, Damian ARG 267
11 Op der Heijde, Melvyn NED 273
12 Masik, Jan CZE 281
OUT Dellatorre, Andres ARG 285@
14 Uebel, Lars GER 288
OUT Golmard, Jerome FRA 289@
16 Andujar, Pablo ESP 292
17 Villagran, Cristian ARG 299
18 Munoz-De La Nava, Daniel ESP 300
19 Cuevas, Pablo URU 303
20 Guez, David FRA 308
21 Lacko, Lukas SVK 310
22 Recouderc, Laurent FRA 315
23 (SE)
24 (SE)
25 (WC) Massa, Edgardo ARG
26 (WC) Arnaboldi, Andrea ITA
27 (WC) Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
28 (WC) Motti, Alessandro ITA
29 (Q) Brizzi, Alberto ITA
30 (Q) Jakupovic, Alexander GRE
31 (Q) Accardo, Alessandro ITA
32 (Q) Viloca, Juan Albert ESP

Alternates
IN Pedrini, Marco ITA 323
IN Santos-Gonzalez, Pablo ESP 325
OUT Herm-Zahlava, Jakub GER 327
OUT Marrero, David ESP 331
OUT Zeballos, Horacio ARG 333
OUT Pospisil, Jaroslav CZE 337
OUT Cilic, Marin CRO 338
OUT Cruciat, Adrian ROM 341
OUT Baccanello, Paul AUS 342
OUT Bruthans, Victor SVK 344
OUT Schukin, Yuri RUS 345
OUT Olejniczak, Dawid POL 346
OUT Checa-Calvo, Jose ESP 347
IN Renavand, Nicolas FRA 349
IN Chardy, Jeremy FRA 352
OUT Fornell, Marc ESP 360
OUT Pastorino, Antonio ARG 361
OUT Parada, Felipe CHI 371 : Replaced by (LL) Cerovic, Ivan CRO
OUT Rieschick, Sebastian GER 373
OUT Meniane, Trystan FRA 376 : Replaced by (LL) Menendez, Adrian ESP
OUT Bardoczky, Kornel HUN 378
IN Crugnola, Marco ITA 385

Oberstaufen
1 Berrer, Michael GER 112
2 Gremelmayr, Denis GER 117
3 Fraile, Gorka ESP 170
OUT Beck, Andreas GER 176
5 Thomann, Nicolas FRA 190
6 Mertinak, Michal SVK 241
7 Summerer, Tobias GER 243
8 Vagnozzi, Simone ITA 257
9 Kindlmann, Dieter GER 258
10 Ventura, Santiago ESP 261
11 Bohli, Stephane SUI 270
12 Mergea, Florin ROM 272
13 Gulbis, Ernest LAT 274
14 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG 277
15 Zitko, Radim CZE 278
16 Moraru, Gabriel ROM 282
17 Navratil, Michal CZE 283
18 Tabara, Michal CZE 302
19 Zverev, Mischa GER 304
20 Aranguren, Juan-Martin ARG 305
OUT Wiltschnig, Herbert AUT 306
22 Mirnegg, Marco AUT 314
23 (SE)
24 (SE)
25 (WC) Brands, Daniel GER
26 (WC) Klier, David GER
27 (WC) Georgescu, Cosmin ROM
28 (WC) McDuffee, Kevin USA
29 (Q) Hantschk, Markus GER
30 (Q) Zemlja, Grega SLO
31 (Q) Trujillo-Soler, Gabriel ESP
32 (Q) Zimmerman, Marcel GER

Alternates
OUT Pedrini, Marco ITA 323
OUT Santos-Gonzalez, Pablo ESP 325
OUT Herm-Zahlava, Jakub GER 327
IN Craciun, Dacian ROM 328
OUT Marrero, David ESP 331
IN Zeballos, Horacio ARG 333
IN Pospisil, Jaroslav CZE 337
OUT Cilic, Marin CRO 338
OUT Cruciat, Adrian ROM 341
OUT Baccanello, Paul AUS 342
IN Bruthans, Victor SVK 344

Poznan
1 Vassallo Arguello, Martin ARG 118
2 Koubek, Stefan AUT 120
3 Patience, Olivier FRA 121
4 Gabashvili, Teimuraz RUS 123
5 Zib, Tomas CZE 124
6 Hajek, Jan CZE 130
7 Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 133
8 Galvani, Stefano ITA 141
9 Devilder, Nicolas FRA 143
10 Cipolla, Flavio ITA 146
11 Bozoljac, Ilia SCG 151
12 Junqueira, Diego ARG 155
13 Karanusic, Roko CRO 163
OUT Labadze, Irakli GEO 166
15 Eschauer, Werner AUT 171
OUT Bolelli, Simone ITA 173 : Replaced by (LL) Romanowski, Artur POL
17 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG 173@
18 Mazarakis, Vasilis GRE 174
19 Gonzalez, Maximo ARG 178
20 Dorsch, Benedikt GER 180
21 Gil, Frederico POR 182
22 Mertl, Jan CZE 183
23 (SE) Ouahab, Lamine ALG
24 (SE) Stakhovsky, Sergiy UKR
25 (WC) Przysiezny, Michal POL
26 (WC) Olejniczak, Dawid POL
27 (WC) Panfil, Grzegorz POL
28 (WC) Urban, Filip POL
29 (Q) Ruiz-Cadenas, Hector ESP
30 (Q) Minar, Jan CZE
31 (Q) Godlewski, Robert POL
32 (Q) Zarski, Jedrzej POL

Alternates
IN Eitzinger, Rainer AUT 185

Scheveningen
1 Mayer, Florian GER 61
2 Garcia-Lopez, Guillermo ESP 90
OUT Sluiter, Raemon NED 92 : Replaced by (LL) Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
4 Gicquel, Marc FRA 98
5 Van Gemerden, Melle NED 100
6 Montanes, Albert ESP 111
7 Ascione, Thierry FRA 137
8 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA 145
9 Hartfield, Diego ARG 149
10 Gonzalez, Santiago MEX 167
11 Calatrava, Alex ESP 168
OUT Tuksar, Sasa CRO 187
13 Economidis, Konstantinos GRE 199
14 Popp, Torsten GER 215
15 Wessels, Peter NED 217
16 Snobel, Pavel CZE 219
OUT Robert, Stephane FRA 221
18 Meffert, Dominik GER 222
19 Odesnik, Wayne USA 226
20 Lammer, Michael SUI 230
21 Elsner, Daniel GER 233
22 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA 236
23 (SE) Checa-Calvo, Jose ESP
24 (SE)
25 (WC) Haase, Robin NED
26 (WC) Huta Galung, Jesse NED
27 (WC) Sijsling, Igor NED
28 (WC) van der Meer, Nick NED
29 (Q) Decoud, Sebastian ARG
30 (Q) Coutelot, Nicolas FRA
31 (Q) Middelkoop, Matwe NED
32 (Q) Poch-Gradin, Carlos ESP

Alternates
IN Garcia, Adrian CHI 237
OUT Vacek, Jan CZE 245
IN Klec, Ivo SVK 246
IN Wauters, Stefan BEL 249
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Postby Shhh » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:58 am

Thats a pretty impressive first post TeRRy :HeadBang:
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Postby PatatRiek » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:25 am

Shhh wrote:Thats a pretty impressive first post TeRRy :HeadBang:
i have to agree :D thanx a lot TeRRy :HeadBang:
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Postby Nathaliia » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:00 am

Yes I wanted to write about WCs to Poznan but TeRRy already made it - good job mate :HeadBang:

The third WC will go to winner of youth games something (so don't get too suspicious if somebody unknown gets it!). I think they keep the fourth for someone famous, nothing sure though.
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Re: week |28| CH: Cuenca,Mantova,Oberstaufen,Poznan,Scheveni

Postby Super-Fabio » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:40 am

thanks Terry! :D
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Postby daryl » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:22 am

There is a problem with challengers in Colombia, the cut is always so high, i dont know if it's only timing or the playes have some bad idea of Colombia. I checked the cut of Bogota 2005 (week 29) and it's was in the 500's too.
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Postby Kinetix » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:40 pm

daryl wrote:There is a problem with challengers in Colombia, the cut is always so high, i dont know if it's only timing or the playes have some bad idea of Colombia. I checked the cut of Bogota 2005 (week 29) and it's was in the 500's too.


:?

Cuenca is in Ecuador.
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Postby daryl » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:02 am

[quote]Cuenca is in Ecuador[/quote]

:oops: i guess that happens when you have nothing to do at 1 am... but i will not lose this so easily, im sure there's a Cuenca in Colombia and people play tennis there also! lol!
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:26 am

Update:

Cuenca -- OUT: Simoni (and Bubka, Smit, Ianni frm ALT) .. IN: Moser

No withdrawals at the other challengers.

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:59 am

Update:

Cuenca -- OUT: Engel, Jorquera, Simoni (and Bubka, Smit, Ianni frm ALT) .. IN: Moser, Yoo, Kryvonos

No withdrawals at the other challengers.

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:06 am

Update:

Cuenca (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: Engel, Ghem, Jorquera, Simoni (and Bubka, Smit, Pujo, Ianni, Gruber, Martin, Statham, Fukaumi frm ALT)
IN: Moser, Yoo, Kryvonos, Romero
NEXT: Alvarez, Avellan, Grambow, Kralert, Veronelli, Ciarrochi, Thomas, Kaneko

No withdrawals at the other challengers.

The field in Ecuador is really ridiculous. The cut was at 500, now down to 558 and hardly anybody left even in the ALT list. ATP needs to do something about reducing the point table in challengers where the entry list is so outrageously poor. Come on, #297 becoming the second seed is unacceptable for a challenger. Worse than most 15K events giving 18 points for the winner. And this one gives FIFTY points for the winner. What kind of logic is that?

On the other hand, why are some of the US players (or anybody without visa hassles etc to get to Ecuador) not going down there for some cheap points? This is a pretty usual occurrence and it was easy to predict the entry list. There is one top-550 USA player who had the willingness to go down there (and it is not such a difficult place to travel to, from the US)!

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Postby Cmb » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:19 pm

money does not grow on trees dude...sometimes u dont know the cut until the week before the tournament, then its expensive to make a flight down there that quick.

I know one of the last people in the tournament right now and he does not know if he is going to make it because of flight arrangements at the last minute...so there might be a few LLs as well haha
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Postby daryl » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:13 pm

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:The field in Ecuador is really ridiculous. The cut was at 500, now down to 558 and hardly anybody left even in the ALT list. ATP needs to do something about reducing the point table in challengers where the entry list is so outrageously poor. Come on, #297 becoming the second seed is unacceptable for a challenger. Worse than most 15K events giving 18 points for the winner. And this one gives FIFTY points for the winner. What kind of logic is that?

On the other hand, why are some of the US players (or anybody without visa hassles etc to get to Ecuador) not going down there for some cheap points? This is a pretty usual occurrence and it was easy to predict the entry list. There is one top-550 USA player who had the willingness to go down there (and it is not such a difficult place to travel to, from the US)!

Jay


Tnx for saving me from that error... at least the point was correct :)
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Postby diddy » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:39 pm

The flights at the last minute to a place like Cuenca can often be over USD2000. Plus, it takes two days to get there, even from the US. There is a reason for this.

The airport in Quito is at altitude, and planes can only go in and out of there at certain times of the day. They also have a bad tendancy to offload pax depending on the load levels, wind etc. This means only a few lights in and out.

Then you need to connect in Quito to places like Cuenca (or Manta etc.). If you don't get on that plane in the morning, often there is not another plane until the next day. I have lived this experience. Although the tournaments are well run, it is a big pain to get there and that is why you see a lot of players out at the last minute.

I know it seems like whining, but when you're on the road for 30 weeks a year, this kind of thing makes it tough.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:58 pm

Cmb wrote:money does not grow on trees dude...sometimes u dont know the cut until the week before the tournament, then its expensive to make a flight down there that quick.

I know one of the last people in the tournament right now and he does not know if he is going to make it because of flight arrangements at the last minute...so there might be a few LLs as well haha

Well, you do know 2.5 weeks in advance whether you are in the intial cut or not. And the players should know that the INITIAL cut at these challengers is itself never higher than 400 (one look at the intial and final cuts published by ATP for challengers the previous years would show too) - so you can enter 3 weeks ahead, after a look at the 2-week advance air fare.

I was not complaining about those who make the cut in the end. Of course you cannot pull off that travel if you make the cut 3 days ahead.

I have done (and still do) a lot of tour planning for an ATP player in the challenger/futures range and I know exactly how it goes. That particular player has to worry about visa hassles too (he needs one for every damn country except his home country) .. He missed a whole 2 weeks of a challenger and a futures in Mexico once (and was fined by ATP and ITF on top of that for that - he was inside the initial cuts) when he simply could not go because the Mexican consulate would not give him a visa after 5 days of waiting and hotel expenses in Miami, despite having applied weeks ahead, as the approval had to come from Mexico city! .. The US players don't need to worry about those kinds of things --- so don't tell me about trouble in travelling and air booking etc.

Right now, you can get a 2 week advance air ticket from any big city in the US for about $800 to Quito. The tournament has given (in the fact sheet) website addresses of three separate domestic companies in Ecuador that has 2 or 3 flights each a day from Quito to Cuenca. I checked one, and they have a $100 round trip.

If you are in the top-400, wanted to get some cheaper points in the kitty, you owe it to yourselves to take the little trouble of ENTERING the event, then booking a ticket 2 weeks in advance and making the damn trip. Now, if you simply don' want to play a weak-field event, I will respect you for that - it is your decision.

There are players who get into cars and drive 8 hours from Pittsburgh to Peoria from obne futures to another and just get 6 or 8 points. They are willing to take all kinds of trouble in search of points and glory. But they seem to shy away from catching a flight to Quito. Why?

I suspect that some of them simply think these are some God-awful third world places where they would get malaria from mosquito bites or something :) .... And I think some of them are just painly, simply, lazy - despite having the wherewithal to do well, that a lot of players from many countries around the world can only dream of.

Not complaining in particular about anybody. I guess I am in a bad mood to whine today, that's all :)

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Postby PatatRiek » Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:14 am

the last 2 Wildcards for Schevingen are for Igor Sijsling & Nick van der Meer
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:38 pm

Poznan (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: Labadze
IN: Eitzinger
NEXT: Gimeno-Traver, Ungur, Cuadrado, Garcia, Lorenzi, Vacek, Klec, Stakhovsky

Scheveningen (One of 2 SE spots cleared)
OUT: Robert, Tuksar (and Vacek, Lopez, Pedrini, Santos-Gonzalez, Herm-Zahlava, Craciun, Marrero, Pospisil, Cruciat, Baccanello, Bruthans, Schukin from ALT)
IN: Garcia, Klec, Wauters
NEXT: SanchezDeLuna, Huta Galung, Olejniczak, Checa-Calvo, Renavand, Chardy, Fornell, Pastorino, Al Ghareeb

Cuenca (Both SE spots cleared)
OUT: Engel, Ghem, Jorquera, Jun, Simoni (and Yoo, Bubka, Smit, Pujo, Ianni, Gruber, Martin, Statham, Grambow, Kralert, Thomas, Fukaumi frm ALT)
IN: Moser, Kryvonos, Romero, Alvarez, Avellan, Veronelli, Ciarrochi
NEXT: Kaneko, Krajcovic, Downey, Takahashi

Mantova (Both SE spots cleared)
OUT: Aldi, Dellatorre, Golmard, Guccione, Vico (and Herm-Zahlava, Marrero, Zeballos, Pospisil, Cilic, Cruciat, Baccanello, Bruthans, Schukin, Olejniczak, Checa-Calvo, Fornell, Pastorino, Rieschick, Bardoczky, Marx from ALT)
IN: Pedrini, Santos-Gonzalez, Renavand, Chardy, Parada, Meniane, Crugnola
NEXT: Ruiz-Cadenas, van Scheppingen

Oberstaufen (Both SE spots cleared)
OUT: Beck, Wiltschnig (and Pedrini, Santos-Gonzalez, Herm-Zahlava, Marrero, Cilic, Cruciat, Baccanello, Schukin, Olejniczak, Checa-Calvo, Renavand, Chardy, Fornell, Pastorino, Rieschick, Bardoczky from ALT)
IN: Craciun, Zeballos, Pospisil, Bruthans
NEXT: Al Ghareeb, Parada, Meniane, Crugnola, Marx

Some of these challenger cuts dropped like a rock in the last day or so.

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Postby CooCooCachoo » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:15 am

Sanchez de Luna is in the Scheveningen QD, so there is obviously a mistake in the list here. Is it possible that the Montauban semi finalist, Jose Checa-Calvo, is given a SE?
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:07 am

Thanks for that. Not sure if it was a mistake by me, but that is corrected. Only one SE spot was cleared (not two as I wrote) at Scheveningen and Sanchez De Luna was one out, not in the list. There might have been a wrong list made just before that got corrected, that I reported earlier.

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Postby diddy » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:24 am

Thanks Jay. I was thinking more from the perspective of those that get in at the deadline.

The cut at Cuenca seems to have fallen to the second last in the list, below the 1520 ranked players, whop did not get in. The 32750 ranking got in before. That must be some kind of mistake? What is a 32750 ranking?
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Postby TeRRy » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:27 am

CooCooCachoo wrote:Sanchez de Luna is in the Scheveningen QD, so there is obviously a mistake in the list here. Is it possible that the Montauban semi finalist, Jose Checa-Calvo, is given a SE?

The MD is out and this is true.


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Postby Kinetix » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:59 pm

Felipe Parada was played a qualy match in Oberstaufen, and he is in the main draw of Mantova.

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Postby seb » Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:15 am

Kinetix wrote:Felipe Parada was played a qualy match in Oberstaufen, and he is in the main draw of Mantova.

:?


The same for Meniane who was playing in cuenca qualies (means he had to fly to Ecuador to sign up) and is now in mantova main draw.

I can't imagine he is obliged to fly back to europe by atp to play in italy
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Postby diddy » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:42 am

Yes Meniane was required to fly to Mantova, or else pull out of main draw in Mantova and face fine of $1000, double that if he was seeded
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Postby seb » Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:44 am

diddy wrote:Yes Meniane was required to fly to Mantova, or else pull out of main draw in Mantova and face fine of $1000, double that if he was seeded


I guess he forgot to withdraw from Mantova Alt list as he want to play some other challengers in Bogota and Campos next weeks. This is a big mistake from him but I wouldn't fly back to europe (it costs more than $1,000 and he will loose anyway due to jetlag).
Bad system from ATP, they should take him out from alt list as he entered cuenca qualies. strange.
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Postby PatatRiek » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:41 am

Scheveningen

OUT : Sluiter for emotical reasons :-k (it could have something to do with the bad play of the Dutch team in World Cup Soccer :? )

IN : (LL)Daniel Gimeno-Traver
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