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Postby dancevicfan » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:36 pm

this was posted elsewhere

question; how are they selected

a) random draw?
b) highest loser is last round of qualifying?

has a LL every won an ATP mens tourney?
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Postby chamacoo » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:43 pm

b 8)

and yes, someone did win the tournament as a LL. it actually happens often at the futures level. check out the results at stevegtennis.com ( :D ) and you'll find many examples.
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Re: lucky losers

Postby Fredde » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:53 pm

dancevicfan wrote:this was posted elsewhere

question; how are they selected

a) random draw?
b) highest loser is last round of qualifying?

has a LL every won an ATP mens tourney?


The Lucky loser is the best seeded player in the qualifiers that lost in last round. If no seeded player best rated player. In extreme case lucky loser could lose earlier than last round.

First LL to win an ATP tourney (or Grand Prix as it was called at that time) was Yahiya Doumbia from Senegal. He won Lyon 1988 as Lucky Loser (see http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/a ... r=10000373 but note that entry should be LL and not Q). Doumbiya had small success on the ATP tour but still managed to win another title in Bordeaux 7 years later. The guy had a really odd career and don't ask me why it went that way.
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Re: lucky losers

Postby BoughtMyPoints » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:54 am

Fredde wrote:
dancevicfan wrote:this was posted elsewhere

question; how are they selected

a) random draw?
b) highest loser is last round of qualifying?

has a LL every won an ATP mens tourney?


Francisco "Pato" Clavet did so early in his career. There have one or two others since. Clavet also profited as a LL one year at Indian Wells by coming into the draw for a second round match replacing a seeded player with a bye and winning.

LL if they lose get the normal first or second round money and hospitality but minimum points, unlike qualifiers who will score half of 2nd round points as a bonus for qualifying.

A LL is the highest ranked loser in each round of qualifying. Occasionally, given a rain plagued tournament, the first round might not be completed until Wednesday or later, by which time all the higher ranked losers would have gone elsewhere, especially as it is costing them money to hang about. So it is possible for the lucky loser to be someone who lost in an earlier qualifying round. But losers in the final qualifying round would still have precedence over a higher ranked loser from an earlier round.

The LL sign in sheet generally has to be signed in person by the player within a half hour window each day, say 9:30 until 10 a.m.. Monday's sign in sheet has no bearing on what may transpire on Tuesday or Wednesday. As with an ALT(ernate), the LL may have only 15 minutes notice that he's going on court.

At the Futures level, it is not unusual for a first round player not feeling match fit to offer his place in the draw to the likely LL in return for the modest first round prize money, rather than play a few games and retire.
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Postby Estevao Rohr » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:59 am

LL if they lose get the normal first or second round money and hospitality but minimum points, unlike qualifiers who will score half of 2nd round points as a bonus for qualifying.


I think that's not the exact definition of the qualifying points. I believe they would be rightly defined according to this page:

http://stevegtennis.com/entrypoints.txt
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Postby Steve G » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:03 am

LL if they lose get the normal first or second round money and hospitality but minimum points, unlike qualifiers who will score half of 2nd round points as a bonus for qualifying.

Yes, that was the pre-2000/best 14 system. Since the new entry system was introduced, the points are only as in the above table.
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Postby BoughtMyPoints » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:10 am

Estevao Rohr wrote:
LL if they lose get the normal first or second round money and hospitality but minimum points, unlike qualifiers who will score half of 2nd round points as a bonus for qualifying.


I think that's not the exact definition of the qualifying points. I believe they would be rightly defined according to this page:

http://stevegtennis.com/entrypoints.txt


Thanks Estevao for putting me straight! And Steve, thanks for the out!!!
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