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by **BelgiumDude** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:07 am

CORDOBA
Participants
1 Ramirez-Hidalgo 86
2 Burgsmuller 92
3 Blanco 101
4 Almagro 126
5 Levy 127
6 Muller 138
7 Ventura 145
8 Karanusic 148
9 Sabau 157
10 Lapentti G. 168
11 Dell'Acqua 169
12 Kunitsyn 172
13 Wang 173
14 Okun 182
15 De Chaunac 183
16 Udomchoke 185
17 Cakl 186
18 De Voest 200
19 Vico 208
20 Vemic 223
21 Amritraj 224
22 Hernandez 234
23 Baccanello 237
24 Pedroso 272
25 (WC) Vicente
26 (WC) Menéndez
27 (WC) Granollers-Pujol
28 (WC) Benfele-Alvarez
29 (Q) Monedero
30 (Q) Munoz-de la Nava
31 (Q) Zovko
32 (Q) Goffi

ZELL
Participants
1 Rochus C. 115
2 Zib 122
3 Heuberger 135
4 Elsner 139
5 Kohlschreiber 154
6 Phau 164
7 Eschauer 165
8 Robert 170
9 Kindlmann 184
10 Waske 187
11 Andersen 209
12 Minar I. 214
13 Simon 219
14 Haehnel 226
15 Schukin 231
16 Cermak 238
17 Scherrer 243
18 Berrer 253
19 Bardoczky 269
20 Gabashvili 270
21 Costa F. 294
22 Mazarakis 297
23 Lammer 305
24 Mlynarik 309
25 (WC) Malajko
26 (WC) Gulbis
27 (WC) Korolev
28 (WC) Knobloch
29 (Q) Beck A.
30 (Q) Klec
31 (Q) Greul
32 (Q) Summerer

MONTAUBAN
Participants
1 Hernandez O. 94
2 Calatrava 123
3 Tipsarevic 155
4 Lisnard 161
5 Roger-Vasselin 194
6 Faurel 204
7 Serra 205
8 Fogues 220
9 Navarro 222
10 Gicquel 245
11 Pashanski 250
12 Economidis 254
13 Bruthans 255
14 Gonzalez King 256
15 Stepanek 258
16 Serrano 262
17 Enev 268
18 Genaro-Martinez 274
19 Qureshi 282
20 Sela 285
21 Todero 316
22 Vik 321
23 Goellner 325
24 Mankad 328
25 (WC) Pequery
26 (WC) Marin
27 (WC) Golmard
28 (WC) Recouderc
29 (Q) Puentes
30 (Q) Tavares
31 (Q) Ivanov-Smolensky
32 (Q) Dabul

MANTOVA
Participants
1 Behrend 116
2 Di Mauro 150
3 Koellerer 159
4 Santopadre 162
5 Seppi 181
6 Delfino 192
7 Roitman 197
8 Kim K. 202
9 Aldi 207
10 Bracciali 221
11 Lorenzi 228
12 Moyano 230
13 Tenconi 240
14 Cobolli 242
15 Galimberti 246
16 Pospisil 247
17 Agaev 248
18 Fraile 266
19 Ager 275
20 Gimeno-Traver 281
21 Azzaro 283
22 Tuksar 286
23 Luzzi 291
24 Armando 298
25 (WC) Giorgini
26 (WC) Viloca
27 (WC) Vagnozzi
28 (WC) Bolelli
29 (Q) Savolt
30 (Q) Novak D.
31 (Q) Felder
32 (Q) Krajan

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Cut-Offs :

Cordoba (100+H)___272
Zell (25+H)________309
Montauban (25+H)__328
Mantova (25+H)____298

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:06 am

Thanks BelgiumDude for the entry lists. Here are some small updates today.

Cordoba
2 SE spots not cleared yet.
OUT: Salzenstein
IN: Okun

Zell
2 SE spots not cleared yet.
OUT: Luczak, van Scheppingen, and from Alternate list - Russell, Fraile, Enev.
IN: Scherrer, Berrer
NEXT-IN: Bardoczky, Gabashvili .....

Montauban
2 SE spots not cleared yet. No change. Fraile OUT from the Alternate list.

Mantova
2 SE spots not cleared yet.
OUT: A.Garcia, and from Alternate list - Russell, Berrer.
IN: Fraile

Jay

by **BelgiumDude** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:13 am

thanks jay!

I edited the lists so far.
Do you have info on the wildcards?

cheerz

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:50 am

A bunch of changes today with some 12 withdrawals and 7 lucky loser spots clearing up .. The cuts have dropped to 188, 294, 297 and 286 respectively for Cordoba, Zell, Montauban, Mantova. As usual, I don't plan to do this all the time, but I had a little time today, so I thought it will be useful to give an update for all of you to see how things move around during the hectic time just before the weekend.

By the way, I think some more spots may clear based on whoever remains in the Wimbledon list as of tomorrow for second week (any doubles players, surprises in the singles draw etc).

Cordoba
2 SE spots cleared.
OUT: Peya, Bogomolov
IN: DeChaunac, Udomchoke, Cakl, Mertinak
NEXT-IN: Chiudinelli, DeVoest, R.Delgado, Thomann

Zell
2 SE spots cleared.
OUT: Kralert, Wessels, and from Alternate list -
Traykov, Genaro-Martinez, Ager, Gimeno-Tarver, Azzaro, Sela, Tuskar, Moraru
IN: Bardoczky, Gabashvili, Qureshi, Costa
NEXT-IN: Kubot, Mazarakis, Armando, Georgini, Snobel

Montauban
2 SE spots cleared yet.
OUT: Lopez, Portas, Silva, Vanek, and from the Alternate list -
Fraile, Bardoczky, Gabashvili, Traykov, Genaro-Martinez, Gimeno-Tarver,
Azzaro, Tuskar, Moraru,
IN: Enev, Genaro-Martinez, Qureshi, Sela, Kubot, Mazarakis
NEXT-IN: Armando, Georgini, Snobel, Stoliarov, Lammer

Mantova
1 SE spots cleared.
OUT: Veronelli, Dellatorre, Navarro-Pastor, Hantschk, and from Alternate list -
Enev, Bardoczky, Gabashvili, Traykov, Genaro-Martinez, Sela, Marcaccio
IN: Ager, Gimeno-Tarver, Qureshi, Azzaro, Tuskar
NEXT-IN: Moraru, Luzzi, Armando, Georgini, Snobel, Stoliarov

Qureshi will soon be dropped from two of the three lists. I expect at least another 7-8 players from waiting lists to enter main draw by tomorrow. The same names are in most of the challenger waiting lists.

Jay

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:36 am

Players who are in various draws and have not lost by end of play today at Wimbledon will be taken out from the challenger lists. So far I see Stepanek at Montauban, and Knowle and Cermak at Zell to be cut out. There are still Bennetau, Ramirez-Hidalgo, Mahut and Gimseltob (all four in the Cordoba list) and Kubot (Montauban) scheduled to play today. If they win, they will be off the lists by later today.

So, some 4 to 6 more spots will get cleared in the challenger draws by later today.

Jay

by **liwmh** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:04 am

i think u meant SE(special exempt), not LL(lucky loser).

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:25 am

Where? What? .. Who said LL?

Thanks liwmh. Of course, SE. Edited out the LLs above. I wasn't thinking..

Jay

by **BelgiumDude** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:27 am

thanks a lot jay!!! I really love this info!

I updated the lists again

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:28 pm

OK, The players remaining active in Wimbledon and will need to be taken off the list are,

Benneteau (from Cordoba)
Mahut (Cordoba)
Gimelstob (Cordoba)
Stepanek (Montauban)
Kubot (Montauban)
Knowle (Zell)
Cermak (Zell)

By my count 10 spots are about to be cleared up in the challengers ...

In addition, I just found that a few of the players immediately following in the next-in lists at these challengers have now committed to play ITF events. They will be taken off the alternate lists as well .. Moraru, Berlecq, Marach, Minar, Svarc, Neuntiebel, etc, ...

Marcos is now OUT from Motauban, replaced by Armando.

The cuts are all going to fall quite a bit, from what I can see.

Jay

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:53 pm

Actually a correction -- I checked the rules once more. It turns out that the players who have not lost by TOMORROW (saturday) at wimbledon are the ones who will be taken out. Not today.

We will have to see which of the 7 doubles players listed above will be on the schedule tomorrow at Wimbledon and who loses. If they lose tomorrow, they can still play the challengers next week ... So their names won't be cut out till tomorrow!

All four challengers have qualifying sign-in deadline at 9 pm SATURDAY, unlike the normal Friday night. The main draw entry lists remain active till that point. Once teh qualifying draw is made, the entry list has no meaning. All withdrawals and no-shows from that point in the main draw list become lucky loser spots.

This stuff is quite a complicated procedure, but ATP does get it done quite correctly (one of the things they do indeed stay on top of!)

Jay

by **nitsansh** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:59 am

Cermak is definitely out because his XD match is not on schedule today.

Jayakris, I think you're not correct... alternates can be placed in MD until the qualifying start, which is Sunday morning in this case...

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:53 am

Partly correct, nitsansh. Alternates can be placed in the main draw still sunday start time, but those are alternates who are in the qualifying draw made tonight though, not any alternates from the entry list. The entry list is basically done with once the qualifying draw is made an hour or so before that they finialize a main draw list based on latest available info on who all has said he is not coming, and who all are taken out. If there is any names withdrawing after that, they take the highest alternate player who is already on site and signed into the qualifying draw to main draw by Sunday start of play. That is my understanding.

Looks like all seven names listed above at Wimbledon will be taken off from the lists, because ity is atotal rain washout at Wimbledon today!

I guess it is all in the hands of the supervisors at the challenger sites. No official ATP updates of any further withdrawals, as far as I know.

But all together a minimum 10 extra spots must be cleared from the lists at the 4 challengers in the next couple of hours. How excatly the supervisors decide which players form the alternate lists to send into the main draw, I really don't know. I suppose they will use the latest official lists (as above from yesterday), look at who has told each of them to be NOT coming, and then finalize a main draw list. Perhaps they can phone each other too.

Jay

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:19 am

I hear that the Cordoba Cut is now down to Uros Vico (which is about 4-5 spots below what we have above). I suppose the three guys from Wimbledon are now cut out...

No idea about the last minute moves at Mantova, Montauban and Zell. We will wait for the qualies draws by tomorrow.

Jay

by **nitsansh** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:48 pm

Cermak can play, he pulled out of Wimby mixed.

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:08 am

Technically, one is not allowed to pull out and then play at the challengers. There may be some medical exceptions though - and I am not sure how they handle it.

Jay

by **BelgiumDude** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:03 am

some main draws out already

ZELL
Pescosolido, Knowle, Qureshi OUT
Mazarakis, Lammer, Mlynarik IN

MONTAUBAN
Bachelot, Kubot, Mazarakis, Armando OUT
Todero, Vik, Goellner, Mankad IN

Watching the alternates who got in at zell and montauban, I'm guessing
Luzzi, Giorgini, Snobel, Stoliarov (perhaps) Viloca got in in Mantova, but the main draw is'nt out there yet. Same for Cordoba

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:16 pm

Are we ever going to see the singles draw at Cordoba. Still no idea who all are playing there... The official website, http://www.tennispozoblanco.com/ has posted the doubles draw, but still no singles draw. Neither has any of the ATP sites posted it. Not even an order of play for Tuesday to see who plays whom.

Jay

by **nitsansh** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:02 pm

Cordoba main draw is coming up slowly... very slowly... about one name in 2-3 minutes... so far 22 of 32 slots are in...

by **R. Jayakrishnan** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:11 pm

Yeah, it is finally out at Cordoba. #272 Andres Pedroso was the last entry, it turns out...

It seems they really made the draw only Monday evening ...

Jay

by **nitsansh** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:58 pm

That was the plan... see the fact file at stevegtennis.com

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