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week *47* : Challengers (22-28/11)

Postby BelgiumDude » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:45 am

Bogota
1 Ventura, Santiago ESP 101
2 Garcia, Adrian CHI 114
3 Falla, Alejandro COL 122
4 Massa, Edgardo ARG 144
5 Armando, Hugo USA 160
6 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU 175
7 Robert, Stephane FRA 201
8 Guzman, Juan-Pablo ARG 202
9 Vassallo Arguello, Martin ITA 206
10 Berlocq, Carlos ARG 212
11 Villagran, Cristian ARG 222
12 Ionita, Victor ROM 224
13 Miranda, Ivan PER 230
14 Gonzalez King, Ignacio ARG 235
15 Sabau, Razvan ROM 239
16 Ferreiro, Franco BRA 247
17 Todero, Nicolas ARG 249
18 Moraru, Gabriel ROM 251
19 Puerta, Mariano ARG 252
20 Silva, Julio BRA 257
21 Daniel, Marcos BRA 258
22 Gamonal, Hermes CHI 260
23 SPECIAL EXEMPT
24 SPECIAL EXEMPT
25 WILD CARD
26 WILD CARD
27 WILD CARD
28 WILD CARD
29 QUALIFIER
30 QUALIFIER
31 QUALIFIER
32 QUALIFIER

Alternates
1. Gallardo Valles, Miguel MEX 267
2. Rojer, Jean-Julien AHO 274
3. Hernandez, Alejandro MEX 275
4. Dabul, Brian ARG 298
5. Gonzalez, Santiago MEX 299
6. Dellatorre, Andres ARG 310
7. Pospisil, Jaroslav CZE 314
8. Pedroso, Andres USA 318
9. Marcaccio, Gustavo ARG 334
10. Costa, Francisco BRA 336
11. Patriarca, Damian ARG 352
12. Moser, Frank GER @355
13. Echagaray, Bruno MEX 362
14. Joseph, Lesley USA 370
15. Munoz-De La Nava, Daniel ESP 375

Groningen
1 Schalken, Sjeng NED 54
2 van Scheppingen, Dennis NED 79
3 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE 87
4 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA 95
5 Vliegen, Kristof BEL 107
6 Kim, Kevin USA 108
7 Elseneer, Gilles BEL 113
8 Kucera, Karol SVK 119
9 Wessels, Peter NED 125
10 Kendrick, Robert USA 135
11 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI 136
12 Karanusic, Roko CRO 150
13 Behrend, Tomas GER 155
14 Phau, Bjorn GER 158
15 Gicquel, Marc FRA 161
16 Tenconi, Tomas ITA 162
17 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS 169
18 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR 170
19 Minar, Ivo CZE 173
20 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA 180
21 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK 181
22 Mertinak, Michal SVK 182
23 SPECIAL EXEMPT
24 SPECIAL EXEMPT
25 WILD CARD
26 WILD CARD
27 WILD CARD
28 WILD CARD
29 QUALIFIER
30 QUALIFIER
31 QUALIFIER
32 QUALIFIER

Alternates
1. Andersen, Jan Frode NOR 185
2. Parmar, Arvind GBR 194
3. Vico, Uros ITA 195
4. Waske, Alexander GER 197
5. Pescosolido, Stefano ITA 209
6. Gimelstob, Justin USA 227
7. Galimberti, Giorgio ITA 228
8. Kohlmann, Michael GER 234
9. Djokovic, Novak SCG 242
10. Marach, Oliver AUT 245
11. Fitz, Sebastian GER 263
12. Dlouhy, Lukas CZE 266
13. Taino, Eric USA 268
14. Minar, Jan CZE 273
15. Rojer, Jean-Julien AHO 274

Luxembourg
1 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR 67
2 Muller, Gilles LUX 70
3 Rochus, Olivier BEL 72
4 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 77
5 Dupuis, Antony FRA 80
6 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN 82
7 Calatrava, Alex ESP 83
8 Hanescu, Victor ROM 90
9 Haehnel, Jerome FRA 100
10 Almagro, Nicolas ESP 102
11 Gasquet, Richard FRA 106
12 Carraz, Gregory FRA 109
13 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG 117
14 Rochus, Christophe BEL 124
15 Garcia-Lopez, Guillermo ESP 127
16 Lisnard, Jean-Rene FRA 128
17 Thomann, Nicolas FRA @132
18 Zib, Tomas CZE 133
19 Rosset, Marc SUI 137
20 Ascione, Thierry FRA 138
21 Baccanello, Paul AUS @144
22 Salzenstein, Jeff USA 145
23 SPECIAL EXEMPT
24 SPECIAL EXEMPT
25 (WC) Johansson, Joachim SWE
26 (WC) Novak, Jiri CZE
27 (WC) Rusedski, Greg GBR
28 (WC) Mayer, Florian GER
29 QUALIFIER
30 QUALIFIER
31 QUALIFIER
32 QUALIFIER

Alternates
1. Di Mauro, Alessio ITA 147
2. Okun, Noam ISR 153
3. Hippensteel, KJ USA 163
4. Savolt, Attila HUN @167
5. Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE 177
6. Andersen, Jan Frode NOR 185
7. Parmar, Arvind GBR 194
8. Vico, Uros ITA 195
9. Waske, Alexander GER 197
10. Pescosolido, Stefano ITA 209
11. De Chaunac, Sebastien FRA 214
12. Mamiit, Cecil USA 216
13. Gimelstob, Justin USA 227
14. Galimberti, Giorgio ITA 228
15. Kohlmann, Michael GER 234

Prague
1 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE 85
2 Heuberger, Ivo SUI 118
3 Vacek, Jan CZE 151
4 Bracciali, Daniele ITA 152
5 Norman, Dick BEL 157
6 Kindlmann, Dieter GER 174
7 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR 189
8 Snobel, Pavel CZE 191
9 Schukin, Yuri RUS 192
10 Luzzi, Federico ITA 196
11 Navarro Pastor, Ivan ESP 199
12 Golmard, Jerome FRA 208
13 Suzuki, Takao JPN 213
14 Eschauer, Werner AUT 220
15 Berrer, Michael GER 223
16 Dell'Acqua, Massimo ITA 240
17 Cakl, Tomas CZE 244
18 Pashanski, Boris SCG 246
19 Knowle, Julian AUT 248
20 Gabashvili, Teimuraz RUS 256
21 Ketola, Tuomas FIN 259
22 Mergea, Florin ROM 261
23 SPECIAL EXEMPT
24 SPECIAL EXEMPT
25 WILD CARD
26 WILD CARD
27 WILD CARD
28 WILD CARD
29 QUALIFIER
30 QUALIFIER
31 QUALIFIER
32 QUALIFIER

Alternates
1. Fitz, Sebastian GER 263
2. Dlouhy, Lukas CZE 266
3. Minar, Jan CZE 273
4. Zovko, Lovro CRO 285
5. Giorgini, Daniele ITA 293
6. Scherrer, Jean-Claude SUI 295
7. Ivanov-Smolensky, Kirill RUS 297
8. Pospisil, Jaroslav CZE 314
9. Dustov, Farrukh UZB 322
10. Trujillo-Soler, Gabriel ESP 323
11. Zelenay, Igor SVK 327
12. Vagnozzi, Simone ITA 330
13. Ouanna, Josselin FRA 331
14. Amritraj, Prakash IND 332
15. Zimonjic, Nenad SCG 339

Reunion Island
1 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 93
2 Tabara, Michal CZE 112
3 Patience, Olivier FRA 115
4 Burgsmuller, Lars GER 116
5 Vanek, Jiri CZE 123
6 Moodie, Wesley RSA 156
7 Kratochvil, Michel SUI 166
8 Dancevic, Frank CAN 188
9 De Voest, Rik RSA 200
10 Udomchoke, Danai THA 205
11 Hemmes Jr., Fred NED 229
12 Kubot, Lukasz POL 272
13 Van Gemerden, Melle NED 281
14 Bastl, George SUI 286
15 Motomura, Gouichi JPN 289
16 Whitehouse, Wesley RSA 290
17 Lorenzi, Paolo ITA 303
18 Hantschk, Markus GER 305
19 Masson, Jeroen BEL 306
20 Hajek, Jan CZE @309
21 Chadaj, Adam POL 311
22 Bardoczky, Kornel HUN 316
23 SPECIAL EXEMPT
24 SPECIAL EXEMPT
25 WILD CARD
26 WILD CARD
27 WILD CARD
28 WILD CARD
29 QUALIFIER
30 QUALIFIER
31 QUALIFIER
32 QUALIFIER

Alternates
1. Przysiezny, Michal POL 320
2. Dustov, Farrukh UZB 322
3. Trujillo-Soler, Gabriel ESP 323
4. Vagnozzi, Simone ITA 330
5. Amritraj, Prakash IND 332
6. Auckland, James GBR 345
7. Lugassy, Gary FRA 350
8. Ram, Andy ISR 354
9. Moser, Frank GER @355
10. Cerovic, Ivan CRO 368
11. Joseph, Lesley USA 370
12. Capkovic, Kamil SVK 382
13. Vlaski, Aleksandar SCG 387
14. Agaev, Emin AZE 389
15. Guez, David FRA 410
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Postby rhubarb » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:21 am

Looks like Joachim Johansson may be in Luxembourg. According to Swedish sources today, he's going there to sit down and set goals with his new coach Fredrik Rosengren. (That's if he doesn't get pulled in to the TMC I guess.)
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Postby Guest » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:04 am

Is the Luxembourg entry list even vaguely correct? Looking at the tournament website, they've got Olivier Rochus, Greg Rusedski, Florian Mayer and Jiri Novak listed. They aren't in the entry list provided in this site.

Furthermore, the official site was updated on Nov 1 with the news of Santoro withdrawing. He wasn't on the list either. Can someone clarify what's going on?
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Postby Tom » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:50 am

The Luxembourg List is not correct.

It is sure that Pim-Pim, Novak, Mayer and Rusedski will play.
It is written in a luxemburgish newspaper today. Maybe these players got a Wildcard??
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Postby PatatRiek » Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:02 am

Anonymous wrote:Is the Luxembourg entry list even vaguely correct? Looking at the tournament website, they've got Olivier Rochus, Greg Rusedski, Florian Mayer and Jiri Novak listed. They aren't in the entry list provided in this site.


BelgiumDude always provided correct lists, i have no doubts .... actually, Olivier Rochus is in the list provided by BelgiumDude! the others might have pulled out already, or will maybe get in with a wildcard? (4 spots available)

Furthermore, the official site was updated on Nov 1 with the news of Santoro withdrawing. He wasn't on the list either. Can someone clarify what's going on?


Santoro is probably not listed because he pulled out before the official entrylist came out

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Postby Guest » Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:17 am

Here's the Luxembourg article:

http://www.wort.lu/articles/4117997.html
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Postby Guest » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:17 am

Tom wrote:The Luxembourg List is not correct.

It is sure that Pim-Pim, Novak, Mayer and Rusedski will play.
It is written in a luxemburgish newspaper today. Maybe these players got a Wildcard??


Because of the ATP rules top 50 players can play in challenger tournaments only with wildcard. No direct entry for them.
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Postby nitsansh » Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:45 pm

Excuse my ignorance.... where is Reunion Island???

It's over a year since Andy Ram played a challenger... apparently he uses the off season in ATP tournaments to try an improve his singles ranking, so he could get into ATP tournaments (at least in qualifying) while playing doubles...
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Postby PatatRiek » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:46 pm

nitsansh wrote:Excuse my ignorance.... where is Reunion Island???


in France, actually it's Sainte-Clotilde-de-la-Réunion
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Postby Wiseguy » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:09 pm

Andy Ram played in september 2004 in Istanbul and made it to the semis..



nitsansh wrote:Excuse my ignorance.... where is Reunion Island???

It's over a year since Andy Ram played a challenger... apparently he uses the off season in ATP tournaments to try an improve his singles ranking, so he could get into ATP tournaments (at least in qualifying) while playing doubles...
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Postby Wiseguy » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:16 pm

Actually it´s not IN France. It belongs to France but it´s located in the Indian Ocean. That´s why there has been traditionally few french players...



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nitsansh wrote:Excuse my ignorance.... where is Reunion Island???


in France, actually it's Sainte-Clotilde-de-la-Réunion
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Postby nitsansh » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:42 pm

Indian Ocean... that explains few things...

1. Outdoors tournament in November...
2. There is a challenger in Mauritius the following week... It's a mini Indian Ocean series...
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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:30 am

nitsansh wrote:Indian Ocean... that explains few things...


it also explains the kinda weak field.... thanks for the geography lesson, Wiseguy
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Postby nitsansh » Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:35 pm

It's only 25K... 9 top-200 players in this tournament isn't too bad... Bogota is weaker than that...

I'm sure most players are going to Mauritius as well, and that's a 125K... beside the tennis, it's a nice location to spend time in late November...
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:44 pm

Thay are also paying for an airticket if they go to both challengers (or just to Mauritius). That is also a reason for there to be a decent field. It is quite expensive to get there - the only flights are from France and from Mauritius (which itself is not all that cheap to get to).

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Postby nitsansh » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:51 pm

Surely it costs money to get there, but if you can't get into European tournaments (which for Israelis also cost around 500$ to fly), and desperate to get some points, you're willing to pay... and I think Andy Ram can afford that with the money he earned in the doubles...
Once you decide to get to Mauritius, the extra cost to get to Reunion isn't that much I guess...
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Postby seb » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:34 am

There will be 2 tournaments held in Reunion in December, the weeks after Mauritius event to complete this idian ocean circuit:
- TC Tampon (8000€ + garanties), 2003: Gicquel b. Santoro
- Bourbon Olympique TC (5000€+garanties), 2003: Robredo b. Pavel
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Postby seb » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:34 am

There will be 2 tournaments held in Reunion in December, the weeks after Mauritius event to complete this idian ocean circuit:
- TC Tampon (8000€ + garanties), 2003: Gicquel b. Santoro
- Bourbon Olympique TC (5000€+garanties), 2003: Robredo b. Pavel
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Postby nitsansh » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:06 am

Are these official ATP tourneys or exhibition??
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Postby seb » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:25 am

They are French Circuit Tournaments but I think the BOTC main draw does not count toward french rankings, only qualies do.

I will post the results on the forum as soon as they are available.
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:40 am

there seems to be a qlist for the Luxembourg challenger :

ENTRIES QUALIES

1 DI MAURO Alessio ITA 147
2 OKUN Noam ISR 153
3 HIPPENSTEEL Kj USA 163
4 SAVOLT Attila HUN 167 PR
5 WANG Yeu-Tzuoo TPE 177
6 ANDERSEN Jan Frode NOR 185
7 PARMAR Arvind GBR 194
8 VICO Uros ITA 195
9 WASKE Alexander GER 197
10 PESCOSOLIDO Stefano ITA 209
11 DE CHAUNAC Sebastien FRA 214
12 MAMIIT Cecil USA 216
13 GIMELSTOB Justin USA 227
14 GALIMBERTI Giorgio ITA 228
15 KOHLMANN Michael GER 234
16 DJOKOVIC Novak SCG 242
17 MARACH Oliver AUT 245
18 FITZ Sebastian GER 263
19 DLOUHY Lukas CZE 266
20 TAINO Eric USA 268
21 MINAR Jan CZE 273
22 ZOVKO Lovro CRO 285
23 WIDOM Todd USA 288
24 GIORGINI Daniele ITA 293
25 SCHERRER Jean-Claude SUI 295
26 WAUTERS Stefan BEL 296
27 SCHEIDWEILER Mike LUX 925 WC
28 KREMER Gilles LUX 1022 WC
29 Raiffeisen Junior Open Winner WC
30 Raiffeisen Junior Open Runner Up WC
31 TBA WC
32 TBA WC
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Postby cogliati » Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:01 pm

Luxembourg WC confirmed. As already mentioned in previous posts, Johannson J, Novak, Rusedski and Mayer get them.

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Postby BelgiumDude » Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:16 am

are there some early updates already, Jay?

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:31 am

Here are the updates...

Luxembourg (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No withdrawals from MD or qualies.

Groningen (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No withdrawals from MD or qualies.

Bogota (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: 5 from main draw (and Dellatorre, Pospisil, Pedroso, Patriarca, De La Nava, Tavares from ALT)
IN: Gallardo-Valles, Rojer, A.Hernandez, Dabul, S.Gonzalez
NEXT: Marcaccio, Costa, Moser, Echagaray, Joseph, Veronelli, Quintero, Salamanca

Prague-2 (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: 6 from the main draw (and Scherrer, Trujillo-Soler, Kralert from ALT)
IN: Fitz, Dlouhy, Minar, Zovko, Giorgini, Ivanov-Smolenski
NEXT: Pospisil, Zelenay, Vagnozzi, Ouanna, Amritraj, Zimonjic, Mertl, Auckland

Reunion Island (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No withdrawals from MD or qualies.

Weird. Lots of withdrawals in two places and none at the oither three! .. I think this will change soon.

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:43 am

Luxembourg (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: None MD (Hippensteel, Vico from ALT)
NEXT: DiMauro, Okun, Savolt, Y-T.Wang, J-F.Anderson, Parmar, Waske, Pescosolido

Groningen (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: None MD (Vico from ALT)
NEXT: J.F.Anderson, Parmar, Waske, Pescosolido, Gimelstob, Galimberti, Kohlmann, Djokovic

Bogota (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: 6 from main draw (and Dellatorre, Pospisil, Pedroso, Patriarca, De La Nava, Tavares from ALT)
IN: Gallardo-Valles, Rojer, A.Hernandez, Dabul, S.Gonzalez, Marcaccio
NEXT: Costa, Moser, Echagaray, Joseph, Veronelli, Quintero, Salamanca, Hartfield

Prague-2 (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: 7 from the main draw (and Scherrer, Dustov, Trujillo-Soler, Amritraj, Kralert from ALT)
IN: Fitz, Dlouhy, Minar, Zovko, Giorgini, Ivanov-Smolenski, Pospisil
NEXT: Zelenay, Vagnozzi, Ouanna, Zimonjic, Mertl, Auckland, Stoliarov, A.Ram

Reunion Island (One of 2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: One from the main draw (and Trujillo-Soler, Vagnozzi, Amritraj, Luhgassy, Moser, Vlaski from ALT).
IN: Przysiezny, Dustov
NEXT: Auckland, A.Ram, Cerovic, Joseoph, Capkovic, Agaev, Guez, Klemetz
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Postby PatatRiek » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:15 am

Thanks Jay ... it looks like Prague will have a weak field

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Postby nitsansh » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:26 am

Anyone knows who are candidates for SE?
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Postby bass » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:35 am

Alex Waske is one of the candidates. He won in Eckental to day against Petzschner.
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Postby PatatRiek » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:32 am

Y-T.Wang is another SE candidate, he is also in SF of the Eckental Challenger

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:17 pm

Luxembourg (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No change from above

Groningen (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No change from above

Bogota (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No change from above

Prague-2 (Both SE spots cleared)
OUT: 7 from the main draw (and Scherrer, Dustov, Trujillo-Soler, Ouanna, Amritraj, Kralert from ALT)
IN: Fitz, Dlouhy, Minar, Zovko, Giorgini, Ivanov-Smolenski, Pospisil, Zelenay, Vagnozzi
NEXT: Zimonjic, Mertl, Auckland, Stoliarov, A.Ram

Reunion Island (Both SE spots cleared)
OUT: Two from the main draw (and Trujillo-Soler, Vagnozzi, Amritraj, Luhgassy, Moser, Joseph, Vlaski from ALT).
IN: Przysiezny, Dustov, Auckland, A.Ram
NEXT: Cerovic, Capkovic, Agaev, Guez, Klemetz

Those seem to be the final official lists. More withdrawals and clearing of SE spots may have happened on-site before the qualifying draws were made.

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:20 pm

Qualifying seeds:

Luxembourg Qualifying Draw - http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/Trac ... 166/qs.pdf

Groningen Qualifying Draw - http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/Trac ... 766/qs.pdf

Reunion Island Qualifying Draw - http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/Trac ... 632/qs.pdf

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Postby MikeH » Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:48 am

:? WOW the whole thing is so confusing. Trying to track the British and Irish players - particularly Kevin Sorensen and Arvind Parmar - seems impossible on the basis of the entry lists. They seem to be on several lists for the same week, right up to the time of the qualies sign-in. On the basis of the original list Sorensen is miles off a main draw place in Bogota, yet he got into Puebla this week (and won a round - first CH win). Does he gamble on getting in and make the long journey anyway - when do you have to decide where you play is my real point.
How can Parmar be on the ALT list for two places while playing in a semi in Helsinki - it seems so disorganised (not a criticism merely an observation from a newcomer).
And Zimonjic. on the ALT list at Groningen is now in the Luxembourg qualies.
Final point, on the basis that the fourth seed in Groningen qualies is rank 520, I'm disappointed more British players aren't there or in Luxembourg with such good money (relatively) on offer for getting into the main draw. Or are there an exceptional amount of withdrawals this week?
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:50 am

No, it is not at all disorganized. The lists are managed quite well by ATP, and they do quite a bit of work tracking players on Thursday/Friday and updating the lists based on who from the ALT lists are going where (they contact the players and find out). I think that is the only way it can be done.

Yes it is tough for us to guess where a player would go, if he is in the ALT lists. The players would have to make a guess.

Since you brought up the Sorensen case, here is how it happened last week. As of Friday morning last week, Harsh Mankad of India (who was in the entry list at Puebla) was at the Consulate of Mexico in Miami - he had been waiting for TWO weeks for a visa permit to arrive from the Mexico City immigration office (ATP and the Mexican Tennis Federation were trying their best to get the Mexican bureaucracy to move fast -- but really no luck there). Mankad heard that there was a low chance for a permit to arrive THIS monday and for him to get a visa immediately and catch a flight to Mexico, but after waiting for a whole 10 days with all the "might come tomorrow" stuff from Mexico, he was about to give up. ATP called him and told him that Sorensen had said he would catch a flight saturday to Peubla if Mankad had decided to give up. He decided it was better to let Sorensen make use of the spot rather than find on Monday that he couldn't go anyway. So by Friday evening ATP scratched Mankad's name and Sorensen made the main draw.

I happen to be a friend of Mankad's and heard this story ... So you know how it works. ATP's system is pretty fair, and sticks strictly to the ranking and what players say their preferences are. Except for the fact that it is very unfair on players from countries outside of North America, Europe, Australia, Japan, etc -- who have to go through serious visa hurdles (I had heard of similar incidents in the past too -- Aisam Qureshi of Pakistan had to be a no show at a Mexico challenger earlier this year and waste a week because of a visa problem) ..

But ATP can't do anything about the visa hassles. Many countries need more than 3 weeks to process visa paperwork and ATP and ITF can only finalize the lists 2 or 3 weeks ahead. The players cannot decide which visa to apply for till they find out which event they made it into -- this problem really has no easy solution, unfortunately.

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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:19 pm

MikeH wrote:How can Parmar be on the ALT list for two places while playing in a semi in Helsinki


that makes Parmar a SE candidate

And Zimonjic. on the ALT list at Groningen is now in the Luxembourg qualies.


he was probably ALT on both lists (not all the alternates were posted); anyway it doesnt matter, an alternate list is not a qualifying list. you have to show up on friday night to be in the qdraw

prague qualifying sign in is tonight, that explains Jay hasn't posted that draw yet

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Postby MikeH » Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:32 pm

Jay, thanks for that brilliant reply. I assumed there must be a method in what appeared to be madness but couldn't work it out.

BTW this site was recommended by a pal recently when I was doing an article on the Sorensens for the newspaper I work for. The more I find about this site the more I appreciate the dedication (and knowledge) you guys have.

The site is a statisticians dream - keep up the good work

Oh and Jay, Mankad sounds like a classy guy, too.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:08 pm

Hou are welcome, MikeH. We should thank SteveG for the many years of hard work keeping this site up...

Here is the Bogota qualifying Draw -
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/Trac ... 576/qs.pdf

Qualies sign-in at Prague is tonight, and the draw is not out yet. When it is out, it will be at this lin -
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/Trac ... 487/qs.pdf

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Postby Fee » Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:26 pm

Its always so cool to see new people come to the site and really appreciate it. Even though I'm not involved in any way, it makes me proud somehow (hope Steve doesn't mind).

Jay, do you think we might get week 1 and 2 entry lists for 2005 in the next two weeks? JMG is on vacation, but I have some of his fans wondering what he is up to (and he may not know himself since his ranking slipped). Thanks!
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Postby nitsansh » Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:38 pm

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:Since you brought up the Sorensen case, here is how it happened last week. As of Friday morning last week, Harsh Mankad of India (who was in the entry list at Puebla) was at the Consulate of Mexico in Miami - he had been waiting for TWO weeks for a visa permit to arrive from the Mexico City immigration office (ATP and the Mexican Tennis Federation were trying their best to get the Mexican bureaucracy to move fast -- but really no luck there). Mankad heard that there was a low chance for a permit to arrive THIS monday and for him to get a visa immediately and catch a flight to Mexico, but after waiting for a whole 10 days with all the "might come tomorrow" stuff from Mexico, he was about to give up. ATP called him and told him that Sorensen had said he would catch a flight saturday to Peubla if Mankad had decided to give up. He decided it was better to let Sorensen make use of the spot rather than find on Monday that he couldn't go anyway. So by Friday evening ATP scratched Mankad's name and Sorensen made the main draw.


Poor Mankad... that was really HARSH for him...
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:35 pm

Fiona: I assume we will see the ATP lists for 2005 week 1 next week. Will have it up as soon if I get it.

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Postby steveyb » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:08 pm

does anyone know what happenned to dancevic at reunion island?
is he playing elsewhere or not at all?
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Postby nitsansh » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:02 pm

main draw at Reunion is out
http://stevegtennis.com/results/2004/ch-reunion.txt
Andy is not there :( :S
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Postby nitsansh » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:11 pm

Dancevic, Hemmes, Chadaj also out from MD.
Guez in, another vacancy will be filled by LL.
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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:28 pm

Nenad Zimonjic didn't play in the qualies of the Lux challenger, instead he'll be in maindraw at Prague

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Postby PatatRiek » Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:11 am

Groningen (2 SE : Parmar & Waske)
OUT : Chiudinelli and Kucera (WO in the final of Dubprovsnik today)
IN : J.F.Anderson and LL

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Postby PatatRiek » Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:20 am

Luxembourg (2 SE : Wang and 1 cleared )
OUT : Garcia-Lopez
IN : DiMauro, Okun

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Postby nitsansh » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:06 pm

Noam :D :o
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Postby Steve G » Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:32 am

So that should be Frank Dancevic who withdrew in Reunion Island? The drawsheet says "S. Dancevic" :roll:
http://www.atptennis.com/posting/2004/1632/mds.pdf
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