week *44* : ATP Paris + Q (1-7/11)

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week *44* : ATP Paris + Q (1-7/11)

Postby BelgiumDude » Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:09 pm

PARIS
1 Federer, Roger SUI 1
2 Roddick, Andy USA 2
3 Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 3
4 Henman, Tim GBR 4
5 Coria, Guillermo ARG 5
6 Moya, Carlos ESP 6
7 Agassi, Andre USA 7
8 Gaudio, Gaston ARG 8
9 Safin, Marat RUS 9
10 Massu, Nicolas CHI 10
11 Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 11
12 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 12
13 Nalbandian, David ARG 13
14 Schuettler, Rainer GER 14
15 Pavel, Andrei ROM 15
16 Johansson, Joachim SWE 16
17 Robredo, Tommy ESP 17
18 Hrbaty, Dominik SVK 18
19 Kiefer, Nicolas GER 19
20 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA 20
21 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI 21
22 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG 22
23 Spadea, Vincent USA 23
24 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA 24
25 Ancic, Mario CRO 25
26 Novak, Jiri CZE 26
27 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 27
28 Fish, Mardy USA 28
29 Dent, Taylor USA 29
30 Canas, Guillermo ARG 30
31 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 31
32 Haas, Tommy GER 32
33 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 33
34 Mayer, Florian GER 34
35 Horna, Luis PER 35
36 Santoro, Fabrice FRA 36
37 Melzer, Jurgen AUT 37
38 Verdasco, Fernando ESP 38
39 El Aynaoui, Younes MAR @
40 (WC) Clement, Arnaud FRA
41 (WC) Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
42 (WC) Saulnier, Cyril FRA
43 QUALIFIER
44 QUALIFIER
45 QUALIFIER
46 QUALIFIER
47 QUALIFIER
48 QUALIFIER

Alternates
IN Llodra, Michael FRA 39
OUT Andreev, Igor RUS 40
IN Arazi, Hicham MAR 41
IN Sargsian, Sargis ARM 42
IN Soderling, Robin SWE 43
OUT Verkerk, Martin NED 44
IN Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 45
IN Volandri, Filippo ITA 46
OUT Costa, Albert ESP 47
IN Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 48
IN Johansson, Thomas SWE 49
OUT Nadal, Rafael ESP 50
IN Ferrer, David ESP 51

After first draw was made, J Johansson withdrew, he was replaced, not by a lucky loser, but by alternate Zabaleta.

Paris Qualifying
OUT Soderling, Robin SWE 32; to MD
OUT Berdych, Tomas CZE 36
OUT Volandri, Filippo ITA 37; to MD
4 Johansson, Thomas SWE 44
5 Malisse, Xavier BEL 49
OUT Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 50
OUT Nadal, Rafael ESP 51
8 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG 53
9 Beck, Karol SVK 54
OUT Calleri, Agustin ARG 56
OUT Ginepri, Robby USA 57
12 Enqvist, Thomas SWE 58
13 Saulnier, Cyril FRA 59
OUT Sargsian, Sargis ARM 60; to MD
OUT Mello, Ricardo BRA 61
16 Karlovic, Ivo CRO 63
17 Labadze, Irakli GEO 64
OUT Martin, Alberto ESP 65
19 Rochus, Olivier BEL 68
20 Stepanek, Radek CZE 70
21 (WC) Monfils, Gaël FRA
22 (WC) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
23 (WC) Haehnel, Jerome FRA
24 (WC) Gasquet, Richard FRA

Alternates
IN Benneteau, Julien FRA 71
OUT Monaco, Juan ARG 72
IN Mirnyi, Max BLR 73
OUT Gambill, Jan-Michael USA 76
IN Starace, Potito ITA 77
IN Hanescu, Victor ROM 79
OUT Rusedski, Greg GBR 81
OUT Calatrava, Alex ESP 83
IN Carraz, Gregory FRA 84
OUT Hernych, Jan CZE 85
IN Corretja, Alex ESP 86
OUT Popp, Alexander GER 91
OUT Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 92
OUT Arthurs, Wayne AUS 93
IN Dupuis, Antony FRA 94
IN Sanguinetti, Davide ITA 97
OUT Morrison, Jeff USA 101
OUT Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE 104
IN Mutis, Olivier FRA 105
IN Vliegen, Kristof BEL 110
1. Kucera, Karol SVK 114
2. Mahut, Nicolas FRA 115
3. Patience, Olivier FRA 116
OUT Clement, Arnaud FRA 117; to MD as WC
4. Rochus, Christophe BEL 120
5. Ascione, Thierry FRA 123
6. Lisnard, Jean-Rene FRA 125
7. Chiudinelli, Marco SUI 134
8. Seppi, Andreas ITA 135
OUT Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 149; to Q as WC
9. Jeanpierre, Julien FRA 150
OUT Gasquet, Richard FRA 151; to Q as WC
10. Elsner, Daniel GER 155
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Postby zikmat » Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:20 am

Grosjean withdrew. and has ended his season a few days ago.
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Postby liwmh » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:10 am

i do not think kuerten can make it in time after his surgery.
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Postby Estevao Rohr » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:27 am

i do not think kuerten can make it in time after his surgery.


Yeah, in brazilian media, Guga confirmed he won't play in 2004 season anymore. He will come back in 4-6 months.
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Postby PatatRiek » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:35 am

i think this is WEEK *44* and not *42*

anyway, thanks for the list BelgiumDude

Schalken will be out for this one ...
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Postby BelgiumDude » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:59 am

PatatRiek wrote:i think this is WEEK *44* and not *42*


Thanks PatatRiek, I changed it.
I also added the qualifying list for Paris, which came out this week.

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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:30 pm

BelgiumDude wrote:I also added the qualifying list for Paris, which came out this week.


Thanx BD ! what a strong list :o

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:06 pm

Actually BD, the qualifying list we had above was the one for Madrid. So I have moved it out to that thread. The Paris Q list comes out only after Oct 11th ..

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Postby nitsansh » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:51 am

PARIS (AP) -- Three-time French Open champion Gustavo Kuerten and Sebastien Grosjean pulled out of the Paris Masters with injuries Tuesday.

Kuerten is recovering from recent hip surgery, while Grosjean's season is over because of a thigh injury.

Igor Andreev and Michael Llorda will take their spots in the field for the Oct. 30 to Nov. 7 tournament at Paris' Bercy stadium, the French Tennis Federation said.
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Postby PatatRiek » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:55 am

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:The Paris Q list comes out only after Oct 11th ..


that is today ;) hopefully BelgiumDude will post the list soonish
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:57 am

Actually it comes out tomorrow afternoon .. I said after 11th ... Today at 5 pm Florida time is the deadline for players to to enter ..

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Postby BelgiumDude » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:23 pm

I have added the qualifying list to the first post.

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Postby Guest » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:52 am

Ferrero will not play Paris. He said in an interview yesterday in Madrid that his next tournament will be the DC.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:02 am

Early Update ...

Paris Main Draw (No SE spots)
OUT: ElAynaoui, Grosjean, Kiefer, Kuerten
IN: Llodra, Andreev, Arazi, Sargsian
NEXT: Soderling, Verkerk, Davydenko, Volandri

Paris Q
OUT: Sargsian
IN: Benneteau
NEXT: Monaco, Mirnyi, Gambill, Starace, Hanescu, Rusedski, Calatrava, Carraz

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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:16 pm

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:Paris Q
OUT: Sargsian
IN: Benneteau


hmm.. Benneteau was already listed in the original Qualifying list posted by BelgiumDude?
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:00 pm

There must have been some small error somewhere - probably ATP itself changed the list and corrected it later. I am not sure. Anyway, Ivo Karlovic is in the qualifying list and Bennetau was out. Now I think he is in the qualifying list because Sargsian has made the main draw list.

I have now edited the list for BD, above.

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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:18 pm

ok, thanks Jay!

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Postby Alexander » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:55 pm

I have a question to gurus. I apologise if it was discussed already somewhere here.
What should be natural behaviour of the player that goes for tournament semis and at the same time scheduled for a qualifying event of bigger tournament? How do they sort out this issue?
During the year mostly I saw this kind of players lose on purpose they games on Thursday or Friday (not to mention giving up first round) to get to better tournament. I do not think that is sportsmanlike behaviour but somehow ATP manage to live with this plaque.
Please share your thoughts with me.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:06 pm

The rule is simple. If you enter a tournament, NEVER play a match not to win. Never. It should not matter which tournament you are playing the next week (or which tournament's qualies or whatever you might miss the next week).

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Postby Guest » Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:37 pm

any updates on withdrawals?
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:04 pm

No new withdrawals since my last update, as far as I know ... Jay
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Postby Alexander » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:51 am

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:The rule is simple. If you enter a tournament, NEVER play a match not to win. Never. It should not matter which tournament you are playing the next week (or which tournament's qualies or whatever you might miss the next week).

Jay


to Jay: I would agree with you if I see corresponding withdrawals from qualies but still it is not the case. I am not taking about next week qualies I am talking about cases when you play Thursday or friday and qualies are already on Saturday. What I see is that guys are losing earlier to enter qualies of bigger tournament same week.
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Postby Guest » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:41 am

looks like Fed is out of paris with a thigh injury. Two TMS's in a row that will be without the top two players. How disappointing.
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Postby bass » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:24 am

to Alexander

for me it makes no sense to lose on thursday or friday to get to a bigger tournament, to play quali there. They have to win 3 matches to enter the main draw. And only there, they can earn money. So it makes more sense to try to win some rounds and play a quater or a semifinal in a challenger tournament, then to play quli in a bigger tournament any where else. If you lose in the quali you have won nothing. you only need a lot of money to spend the whole week anywhere.
Alexander, you saw players losing matches for getting anywhere else. I know players, who played the semifinal in a futur tournament and the quali in a grand prix tournament on the same day.
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Postby Jon-UK » Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:23 pm

It is not that many years ago (10-15) since players in the old Bristol ATP grand prix event in the week prior to Wimbledon (now replaced by Nottingham) used to play an early match in Bristol and then travel down the M4 for 80 miles to get to Roehampton for the Wimbledon qualies, before hopping back to Bristol etc. I think one famous case of a player doing this was Marty Davis, who reached the last 4 in Bristol and also got through the qualies at Wimbledon...although my memory might be wrong!

Presumably this can't happen these days?
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Postby christoph2136 » Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:46 pm

I think that Marty Davis story happened in the late 70s or the early 80s.
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Postby zik013 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:32 am

Federer is said to be out for 2-3 weeks...
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Postby rhubarb » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:56 am

Federer won't pull out of Paris just yet. He said he'll have an MRI scan towards the end of this week, and if it's ok, he will still go to Paris. If not, he'll just go to Houston early.
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Postby PatatRiek » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:35 am

i think Olivier Rochus will be out for the qualies, cos he has to play QF in Stockholm on friday .... I assume you have to sign in for the qualies on friday nite?
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Postby nitsansh » Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:18 pm

PatatRiek wrote:i think Olivier Rochus will be out for the qualies, cos he has to play QF in Stockholm on friday .... I assume you have to sign in for the qualies on friday nite?

Not in case there's a qualifying list like this.
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Postby zik013 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:25 pm

nitsansh wrote:
PatatRiek wrote:i think Olivier Rochus will be out for the qualies, cos he has to play QF in Stockholm on friday .... I assume you have to sign in for the qualies on friday nite?

Not in case there's a qualifying list like this.


so the players can just show up on Saturday morning ?? they dont have to be there on Friday ??

thanks for clarification.
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Postby PatatRiek » Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:24 pm

according to info on steve's site :

SINGLES QUALIFYING ENTRY DEADLINE OCTOBER 11.
SINGLES: SINGLES QUALIFYING SIGN-IN DEADLINE 7-9 PM FRIDAY ON SITE
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Postby Guest » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:29 pm

I would've expected a lot of changes to the entry list by Wednesday close... does anyone have any updates? Thanks! :)
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withdraws

Postby keope977 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:36 pm

Santoro out from Paris too according to the official web site.
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Haehnel

Postby Reeco » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:53 am

Just read in a french papernews that Haehnel may receuve a Wild card for the main draw...
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Postby zik013 » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:09 am

no SE spots to those in semifinals of current tournaments ??
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Postby rhubarb » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:28 am

Yes, I was wondering about an SE spot too, especially since there was one for Madrid (from Vienna). Basel is an IS Gold event, isn't it? So someone from there could be eligible for a TMS Paris SE, if there is one.

Anybody know why there doesn't seem to be a Special Exempt for Bercy?
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:41 am

rhubarb wrote:Anybody know why there doesn't seem to be a Special Exempt for Bercy?


SE rule :

"A qualified Event for special exempt to a Tennis Masters Series Tournament is the singles event of another Tennis Masters Series or International Series Gold Tournament"

the 3 tournaments this week are International Series, there's NO International Series Gold Tournament this week

so it is normal there is no SE spot for Paris

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Postby zik013 » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:18 am

i assume Ivo Karlovic is out from qualifying, as he just beat Coretja 7-6 6-7 7-6 and is into next round, with the schedule tomorrow, i doubt he can make it until 9pm to Madrid.
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Postby Guest » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:20 am

Shocking surprise - Roddick is playing according to his website
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:46 am

zik013 wrote:i assume Ivo Karlovic is out from qualifying, as he just beat Coretja 7-6 6-7 7-6 and is into next round, with the schedule tomorrow, i doubt he can make it until 9pm to Madrid.


same for Thomas Johansson & Cyril Saulnier
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Postby zik013 » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:51 am

well, TJ can still make it, if his match is early in Stockholm, and he looses it, he can still catch the plane to Paris
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Postby Judio » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:00 am

zik013 wrote:i assume Ivo Karlovic is out from qualifying, as he just beat Coretja 7-6 6-7 7-6 and is into next round, with the schedule tomorrow, i doubt he can make it until 9pm to Madrid.


He will be even later as the Qualifying is in Paris ;)
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Postby Judio » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:01 am

zik013 wrote:i assume Ivo Karlovic is out from qualifying, as he just beat Coretja 7-6 6-7 7-6 and is into next round, with the schedule tomorrow, i doubt he can make it until 9pm to Madrid.


He will be even later as the Qualifying is in Paris ;)
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Postby nitsansh » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:01 am

There's no need to panic. Players on the qualifying list don't have to show up on Friday evening, the sign-in is for alternates only.
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Postby nitsansh » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:01 am

There's no need to panic. Players on the qualifying list don't have to show up on Friday evening, the sign-in is for alternates only.
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Postby zik013 » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:37 am

anybody can verify FOR SURE, if the players need to show up friday night, as i feel there are a lot of players that will be able to make in saturday morning, but not friday night...
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:37 am

nitsansh wrote:There's no need to panic. Players on the qualifying list don't have to show up on Friday evening, the sign-in is for alternates only.


i hope this is correct .... thanks

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Postby rhubarb » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:00 am

PatatRiek wrote:
rhubarb wrote:Anybody know why there doesn't seem to be a Special Exempt for Bercy?

the 3 tournaments this week are International Series, there's NO International Series Gold Tournament this week

so it is normal there is no SE spot for Paris


Thanks PatakRiek. For some reason I thought Basel was an ISG, but looking on the ATP calendar I see it's not. All in order then :)
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Postby zik013 » Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:32 pm

so, the current tournament schedules for tomorrow are out, what i can say:

Mirny is probably out of Paris, as he is scheduled to play a doubles game on Saturday...
in Petersburg,
Saulnier/Beck, Karlovic (assuming he will loose in doubles in the current game),Labadze are in action tomorrow, and if they loose, they could come to Paris only on Saturday morning.

In Stockholm,
Gambill, Rochus,T.Johanson,Bjorkman,Arthurs are in action and can make it only on Saturday morning.

So my question is, can these players come on Saturday morning and play in the qualies, or we can assume they are out (i hope not) ??
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