week *40* : ATP Lyon, Tokyo + Q (4-10/10)

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week *40* : ATP Lyon, Tokyo + Q (4-10/10)

Postby BelgiumDude » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:34 am

LYON
1 Henman, Tim GBR 6
2 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 8
3 Massu, Nicolas CHI 11
4 Schuettler, Rainer GER 12
5 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG 18
6 Robredo, Tommy ESP 19
7 Hrbaty, Dominik SVK 23
8 Spadea, Vincent USA 24
9 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 25
10 Ancic, Mario CRO 29
11 Johansson, Joachim SWE 30
12 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 32
13 Santoro, Fabrice FRA 33
14 Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 34
15 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 37
16 Horna, Luis PER 38
17 Soderling, Robin SWE 39
18 Arazi, Hicham MAR 40
19 Verkerk, Martin NED 41
20 Malisse, Xavier BEL 42
21 Melzer, Jurgen AUT 43
22 Costa, Albert ESP 44
23 Labadze, Irakli GEO 46
24 SPECIAL EXEMPT
25 SPECIAL EXEMPT
26 (WC) Mathieu, Paul Henri FRA
27 (WC) Clement, Arnaud FRA
28 WILD CARD
29 QUALIFIER
30 QUALIFIER
31 QUALIFIER
32 QUALIFIER

Alternates
IN Ginepri, Robby USA 47
IN Calleri, Agustin ARG 48
IN Nadal, Rafael ESP 49
IN Sargsian, Sargis ARM 53
IN Ferrer, David ESP 54
1. Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 55
2. Llodra, Michael FRA 56
3. Volandri, Filippo ITA 59
4. Enqvist, Thomas SWE 60
5. Mirnyi, Max BLR 64
6. Clement, Arnaud FRA 65
7. Escude, Nicolas FRA 66
8. Stepanek, Radek CZE 69
9. Carraz, Gregory FRA 70
10. Beck, Karol SVK 72

TOKYO
1 Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 5
2 Nalbandian, David ARG 9
3 Gaudio, Gaston ARG 10
4 Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 13
5 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA 16
6 Pavel, Andrei ROM 17
7 Kiefer, Nicolas GER 20
8 Dent, Taylor USA 22
9 Novak, Jiri CZE 26
10 Canas, Guillermo ARG 31
11 Karlovic, Ivo CRO 51
12 Philippoussis, Mark AUS 57
13 Johansson, Thomas SWE 61
14 Saulnier, Cyril FRA 62
15 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 68
16 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 71
17 van Scheppingen, Dennis NED 73
18 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR 74
19 Hernych, Jan CZE 77
20 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA 79
21 Popp, Alexander GER 82
22 Arthurs, Wayne AUS 84
23 Muller, Gilles LUX 88
24 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE 95
25 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN 96
26 Morrison, Jeff USA 100
27 Koubek, Stefan AUT 101
28 Saretta, Flavio BRA 104
29 Garcia, Adrian CHI 105
30 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA 109
31 Reid, Todd AUS 110
32 Mello, Ricardo BRA 113
33 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG 114
34 Rochus, Christophe BEL 116
35 Garcia-Lopez, Guillermo ESP 118
36 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE 124
37 Weiner, Glenn USA 125
38 Gimelstob, Justin USA @
39 WILD CARD
40 WILD CARD
41 WILD CARD
42 WILD CARD
43 QUALIFIER
44 QUALIFIER
45 QUALIFIER
46 QUALIFIER
47 QUALIFIER
48 QUALIFIER

Alternates
IN Lisnard, Jean-Rene FRA 126
IN Burgsmuller, Lars GER 127
IN Peya, Alexander AUT 129
IN Thomann, Nicolas FRA @132
IN Vacek, Jan CZE 138
IN Levy, Harel ISR 140
IN Zib, Tomas CZE 141
IN Okun, Noam ISR 143
1. Baccanello, Paul AUS @144
2. Lapentti, Nicolas ECU 146
3. Wessels, Peter NED 147
4. van Lottum, John NED 148
5. Vanek, Jiri CZE 151
6. Norman, Dick BEL 155
7. Kendrick, Robert USA 156
8. De Chaunac, Sebastien FRA 163
9. Phau, Bjorn GER 165
10. Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE 166

Tokyo Qualifying
1 Peya, Alexander AUT 115; to MD
2 Heuberger, Ivo SUI 129
3 Zib, Tomas CZE 130, to MD
4 Burgsmuller, Lars GER 136; to MD
5 Luczak, Peter AUS 139
6 Vacek, Jan CZE 140; to MD
7 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI 145
8 Kindlmann, Dieter GER 154
9 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU 157
10 Udomchoke, Danai THA 164
11 Phau, Bjorn GER 176
12 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE 180
13 Parmar, Arvind GBR 185
14 Suzuki, Takao JPN 186
15 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA 220
16 Scherrer, Jean-Claude SUI 237
17 Pless, Kristian DEN 280
18 Motomura, Gouichi JPN 288
19 Iwami, Tasuku JPN 289
20 Terachi, Takahiro JPN 298
21 WILD CARD
22 WILD CARD
23 WILD CARD
24 WILD CARD

Alternates
IN Kohlmann, Michael GER 322
IN Klec, Ivo GER 328
IN Sugiyama, Norikazu JPN 337
IN Healey, Nathan AUS 356
IN Chen, Ti TPE 370
IN Iwabuchi, Satoshi JPN 372
IN Matsui, Toshihide JPN 373
IN Fruttero, John Paul USA 393
IN Lee, Seung-Hoon KOR 430
IN Kim, Young-Jun KOR 438
IN Sakai, Toshiaki JPN 468
IN Wassen, Rogier NED 514
1. Im, Kyu Tae KOR 525
2. Soeda, Go JPN 552
3. Kwon, Oh-Hee KOR 564
4. Masuda, Kentaro JPN 572
5. Blake, Thomas USA 591
6. Kato, Jun JPN 674
7. Jun, Woong-Sun KOR 677
8. Pehar, Mirko USA 700
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Postby BelgiumDude » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:37 am

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Postby seb » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:31 am

where do you get these documents from ? Is it a secret ?

Did you get Lyon cut: 46
French will have to strugle for WC because of their poor results. I think they will go to Clement and Benneteau...
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:42 am

I get it through the players who can find it from ATP. BelgiumDude has kindly agreed to check and format them properly and post them.

The main draw initial entry lists are not secret but ATP does not publish it for the general public right away. The initial entry lists do always come up at the ATP site for the tour events though, but that is delayed a bit, and we are impatient ....

As for the list updates I do normally in the week ahead of the tournaments, that also comes from the info that ATP supplies to the players. ATP never publishes the withdrawal info and list updates at their public sites (though many tournaments publish some of it in their own websites).

Showing some consideration to the tournaments who might lose money if big name withdrawls are publicized too early, we have been careful in not playing that up --- Our focus is mostly on the lower ranked players entering the list rather than the big names withdrawing, anyway! .. A lot of people here are fans of the "lowly" players. So in many case, I simply say, X guys withdrew and list the names of the X number of "lowly" players who entered from the ALT list!

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Postby BelgiumDude » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:45 am

Tokyo ATP (week 40) has a qualifying draw which closed this monday.
I have added the entry list for the qualifying and the first 15 alternates for qualifying. With thanks to Jay!

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:17 am

Updates:

Lyon (2 SE spots to be released)
OUT: Verkerk
IN: Ginepri
NEXT: Calleri, Nadal, Andreev ...

Tokyo Indoors (main draw) (NO Special exempt spots)
OUT: Gaudio, Grosjean, Karlovic, Reid, Tursunov
IN: Lisnard, Burgsmuller, Peya, Ventura, Kratochvil
NEXT: Thomann, Vacek, Heuberger, Levy, Zib ...

Tokyo Indoors (qualifying)
OUT: Burgsmuller, Kindlmann, Luczak, Peya
IN: Radic, Amritraj, Kohlmann, Onoda
NEXT: Klec, Sugiyama, Moser, Healey, Chen, Iwabuchi ...

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Postby pipoun » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:01 am

seb wrote:French will have to strugle for WC because of their poor results. I think they will go to Clement and Benneteau...


Seb, I think Mathieu will get one, as he won this tournament in 2002, and after his Davis Cup match, which should give him more popularity than Benneteau.

By the way, Mathieu needs a lot of Entry points as he'll lose 230 (Palerme and Moscou) and will dive arond the 150 th rank! I hope he will reach top100 at the end of this season, in order to start next one in good conditions.
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Lyon

Postby zikmat » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:48 am

Lyon :

you are right Pipoun :
The wild cards are given to Mathieu and Clement for the main draw
and to Monfils for the qualification draw.
(From Lyon official website)
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Postby PatatRiek » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:47 am

i just heard that Santoro is out for the rest of the season
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:55 am

Updates:

Lyon (2 SE spots to be released)
OUT: Verkerk, Chela, Santoro, Labadze (and Andreev from ALT)
IN: Ginepri, Calleri, Nadal, Zabaleta
NEXT: Sargsian, Ferrer, Davydenko, Llodra ..

Tokyo Outdoors (main draw) (NO Special exempt spots)
OUT: Gaudio, Grosjean, Karlovic, Reid, Tursunov, Popp (and Ventura, Kratochvil, Kindlmann from ALT)
IN: Lisnard, Burgsmuller, Peya, Thomann, Vacek, Heuberger
NEXT: Levy, Zib, Okun, Luczak ...

Tokyo Outdoors (qualifying)
OUT: Burgsmuller, Kindlmann, Luczak, Peya, Heuberger, Vacek
IN: Radic, Amritraj, Kohlmann, Onoda, Klec, Sugiyama
NEXT: Moser, Healey, Chen, Iwabuchi, Matsui, Bastl ...

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Postby PatatRiek » Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:50 am

Thanks Jay

a question... maybe a stupid one... do you have to be on the ALT list to sign in for qualies for a tournament without qualifying list?
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Postby Guest » Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:43 am

hi jay, what job do you have, and how did you get it? Do you like have the lists for all the up coming tournaments, can you like tell me how all the lists like appear it sounds such a kool job k thanks bye.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:31 pm

PatatRiek: no, you don't need to be on the ALT list to sign in. But the ALT players in the list do have priority. It never matters because rarely do enough ALT players show up to fill the qualifying draw. That is unless the qualifying itself had an entry list such as at Tokyo next week (rare), or at the grand slams - there the sign-in is only for players to make the list due to withdrawals after the draw is made for the Q. At the grand slams and in places like Tokyo this weekend, the draw is made assuming that the players who make the Q entry list will show up unless they have withdrawn - so the highest ranked player who signs in for withdrawal spots would get it. But for all but about 5 or 6 ATP events (which are normally with a 16 player qualifying draw due to court availability problems at some indoors etc), the qualifying draw is made based on whoever shows up on friday - the guys on the ALT list get first priority but there may only be about 10-15 such guys to take up 32 spots. Does that make sense (I know it is a probably a bit confusing)?

Guest -- i have like a job teaching at a univ, but I like do this 4 fun. I have like the lists ATP gives the players like 3 wks b4 the trnments. i post when i can like find time. kool? .. ;) ;) .. [j/k]

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Postby Normanfan222 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:59 am

yeh thanks jay that was really helpful. I forgot to sign in last time, so the guest person was me.
If i player with no pro ranking, does he have to turn up for the itf tournament a week before hand, why is this. I know that you have to like sign in for quili's 7PM before the sat when they start. But if you have no pro ranking, say you go to a tounament which is in like spain and you have travlled over there from the uk, how do you know you are going to be selected in the qualis. Could it be a wasted trip or do you normally get a chance to compete. That was a question i have wanted to ask for a long time, if you or anybody could answer that it would be great thanks cya.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:51 am

You don't need a ranking to enter the qualifying at the lower levels - these are the $10K futures or the 4-week $25K satellite circuits. You would normally have a good chance to make it, especially if the qualifying draw is of size 64 (three rounds that select 8 players to the main draw). These events are run by ITF and they have some priority rules - those with ATP ranks enter first, then those with national ranks, etc (check out http://wwww.itftennis.com - go to the men's circuit area there - you will find FAQ pages and the whole circtui rules book). Often you will find spots after those guys go in. So, showing up by 7 pm on Friday would work.

I have not looked closely at the qualifying draws at the events in Spain, but I suppose there being a large number of unranked local players, the draws may be getting filled (same in many US events).

The best way is to take a look at the draws archived at this site (at http://stevegtennis.com/atpres.htm ). Take a look at the Qualifying draws for the $10K futures and the satellite circuits in the right most column. See which events in which countries at what times of the year are generally showing "cut: BYES" in the qualifying draw. That means there weren't enough players to fill up the qualifying draw and that the seeds got BYES in the first round. Anybody could have walked in and played at those events. You can then decide which is the best place to go to, and when, to make entry into a qualifying event.

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Postby Guest » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:59 am

Henman out of Lyon.
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Postby Normanfan222 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:51 am

Thanks for answering that question jay :) . i heard Tim was out just a few moments ago, damm i hope he is ready to defend his title in paris in a few weeks.
Jay it must cost some players loads of money, if they keep on trying to get a pro ranking, because isn't it ,like $30 a go and the hotels they have to pay for as well lol, you must need a good job before you consider becoming a tennis pro.
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:01 am

R. Jayakrishnan wrote: Does that make sense (I know it is a probably a bit confusing)?


hey Jay! yes, that made so much sense! thanx a lot for the explanation

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:31 pm

Updates:

Lyon (2 SE spots to be released)
OUT: Verkerk, Chela, Santoro, Labadze, Henman (and Andreev, Zabaleta from ALT)
IN: Ginepri, Calleri, Nadal, Sargsian, Ferrer
NEXT: Davydenko, Llodra, Volandri, Enqvist ..

Tokyo Outdoors (main draw) (NO Special exempt spots)
OUT: Gaudio, Grosjean, Karlovic, Reid, Tursunov, Popp, Kiefer, Koubec (and Ventura, Kratochvil, Kindlmann, Heuberger,. Luczak, Karanusic, Kim, G.Lapentti from ALT)
IN: Lisnard, Burgsmuller, Peya, Thomann, Vacek, Levy, Zib, Okun
NEXT: Bacanello, N.Lapentti, Wessels, van Lottum, Vanek, Norman

Tokyo Outdoors (qualifying)
OUT: Burgsmuller, Kindlmann, Luczak, Peya, Heuberger, Vacek, Motomura, Scherrer, Suzuki, Terachi, Udomchoke, Zib (and Radic, Amritraj, Onoda, Moser, Bastl, Joseph from ALT)
IN: Kohlmann, Klec, Sugiyama, Healey, T.Chen, Iwabuchi, Matsui, Fruttero, Lee, Y-J.Kim, Sakai, Wassen
NEXT: Im, Soeda, O-H.Kwon, Masuda, T.Blake, Kato, W-S.Jun, Pehar ...

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Postby nitsansh » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:59 pm

Harel and Noam in Tokyo :D
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:50 am

Updates:

Lyon (2 SE spots to be released)
OUT: Verkerk, Chela, Santoro, Labadze, Henman (and Andreev, Zabaleta from ALT)
IN: Ginepri, Calleri, Nadal, Sargsian, Ferrer
NEXT: Davydenko, Llodra, Volandri, Enqvist ..

Tokyo Outdoors (main draw) (NO Special exempt spots)
OUT: Gaudio, Grosjean, Karlovic, Reid, Tursunov, Popp, Kiefer, Koubec (and Ventura, Kratochvil, Kindlmann, Heuberger,. Luczak, Karanusic, Kim, G.Lapentti from ALT)
IN: Lisnard, Burgsmuller, Peya, Thomann, Vacek, Levy, Zib, Okun
NEXT: Bacanello, N.Lapentti, Wessels, van Lottum, Vanek, Norman

Tokyo Outdoors (qualifying)
OUT: Burgsmuller, Kindlmann, Luczak, Peya, Heuberger, Vacek, Motomura, Scherrer, Suzuki, Terachi, Udomchoke, Zib, Iwami (and Radic, Amritraj, Onoda, Moser, Bastl, Joseph, Wassen from ALT)
IN: Kohlmann, Klec, Sugiyama, Healey, T.Chen, Iwabuchi, Matsui, Fruttero, Lee, Y-J.Kim, Sakai, Im, Soeda
NEXT: O-H.Kwon, Masuda, T.Blake, Kato, W-S.Jun, Pehar ...

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:23 pm

Updates:

Lyon: One SE released, Davydenko IN.
Tokyo and Tokyo Q -- no change from above.

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Nicolas Thomann

Postby Karex » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:59 pm

Hi.
How come Nicolas Thomann from france is in the maindraw of Tokyo with an entry ranking of 480 ?
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Postby Guest » Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:31 am

Protected injury ranking.
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